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Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« on: November 19, 2011, 11:35:54 am »

Brussels bureaucrats were ridiculed yesterday after banning drink manufacturers from claiming that water can prevent dehydration.

By Victoria Ward and Nick Collins
6:20AM GMT 18 Nov 2011




EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.

Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.

Last night, critics claimed the EU was at odds with both science and common sense. Conservative MEP Roger Helmer said: “This is stupidity writ large.

“The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are: highly-paid, highly-pensioned officials worrying about the obvious qualities of water and trying to deny us the right to say what is patently true.

“If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project then this is it.”

NHS health guidelines state clearly that drinking water helps avoid dehydration, and that Britons should drink at least 1.2 litres per day.

The Department for Health disputed the wisdom of the new law. A spokesman said: “Of course water hydrates. While we support the EU in preventing false claims about products, we need to exercise common sense as far as possible."

German professors Dr Andreas Hahn and Dr Moritz Hagenmeyer, who advise food manufacturers on how to advertise their products, asked the European Commission if the claim could be made on labels.

They compiled what they assumed was an uncontroversial statement in order to test new laws which allow products to claim they can reduce the risk of disease, subject to EU approval.

They applied for the right to state that “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration” as well as preventing a decrease in performance.

However, last February, the European Food Standards Authority (EFSA) refused to approve the statement.

A meeting of 21 scientists in Parma, Italy, concluded that reduced water content in the body was a symptom of dehydration and not something that drinking water could subsequently control.

Now the EFSA verdict has been turned into an EU directive which was issued on Wednesday.

Ukip MEP Paul Nuttall said the ruling made the “bendy banana law” look “positively sane”.

He said: “I had to read this four or five times before I believed it. It is a perfect example of what Brussels does best. Spend three years, with 20 separate pieces of correspondence before summoning 21 professors to Parma where they decide with great solemnity that drinking water cannot be sold as a way to combat dehydration.

“Then they make this judgment law and make it clear that if anybody dares sell water claiming that it is effective against dehydration they could get into serious legal bother.

EU regulations, which aim to uphold food standards across member states, are frequently criticised.

Rules banning bent bananas and curved cucumbers were scrapped in 2008 after causing international ridicule.

Prof Hahn, from the Institute for Food Science and Human Nutrition at Hanover Leibniz University, said the European Commission had made another mistake with its latest ruling.

“What is our reaction to the outcome? Let us put it this way: We are neither surprised nor delighted.

“The European Commission is wrong; it should have authorised the claim. That should be more than clear to anyone who has consumed water in the past, and who has not? We fear there is something wrong in the state of Europe.”

Prof Brian Ratcliffe, spokesman for the Nutrition Society, said dehydration was usually caused by a clinical condition and that one could remain adequately hydrated without drinking water.

He said: “The EU is saying that this does not reduce the risk of dehydration and that is correct.

“This claim is trying to imply that there is something special about bottled water which is not a reasonable claim.”
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 11:40:28 am »

So get me right, some guys wanted to market water as a some thing that prevent dehydration, the EC fact checked, and find that, in fact in does not.

Cue lobbyist paid by said companies issuing grossly populists statement to try to turn their decision.

Your title is wrong btw : Science, water does not prevent  dehydration.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 11:42:28 am »

Regarding that final line: If that was what was actually happening, this would be borderline reasonable. If they were trying to say that bottled water is no better than tap water (which is true, not least because so much bottled water is purified tap water), all well and good, but the statement was unclear and now they sound like loonies.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 11:44:05 am »

Water does not prevent dehydration. It cures it.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 11:45:03 am »

Everybody get armed. It's obvious that aliens are manipulating worldwide authorities into downright retardation so that they can invade us easier.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 11:46:10 am »

Water does not prevent dehydration. It cures it.

This.

I think the issue at heart here, is that Eurosceptics got the majority of cover in this article in this rightwing news paper...
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2011, 11:46:59 am »

Water does not prevent dehydration. It cures it.

This.

I think the issue at heart here, is that Eurosceptics got the majority of cover in this article in this rightwing news paper...

+1. It feels like there is information missing.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2011, 11:47:18 am »

Yes, I don't know in the US but I've heard that drinking a lot of water prevent dehydration, as in, make you less prone to dehydration.
If that fact is false, as in drinking any liquid perform just as well, then it should not be on the bottles.
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2011, 11:50:01 am »

Yes, I don't know in the US but I've heard that drinking a lot of water prevent dehydration, as in, make you less prone to dehydration.
If that fact is false, as in drinking any liquid perform just as well, then it should not be on the bottles.

It is more that drinking water helps get rid of dehydration, rather than prevent it, which is at the crux of the claim here. Looking over it again, this actually seems to be a reasonable ruling, with the article relying on kneejerk reactions. Drinking nothing but soda and energy drinks will not end well, either.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 11:50:47 am »

I think the point is that not all instances of dehydration are treatable by just drinking water.

Or, more to the point, that it's not necessarily true people should necessarily drink 1,2 litres of water a day in order to avoid dehydration. Look at this:
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They compiled what they assumed was an uncontroversial statement in order to test new laws which allow products to claim they can reduce the risk of disease, subject to EU approval.

They applied for the right to state that “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration” as well as preventing a decrease in performance.

However, last February, the European Food Standards Authority (EFSA) refused to approve the statement.

As obvious as it might sound, you can't come forward with a public health guideline based on "common knowledge" or "it is self-evident that...". You need epidemiological data to support it.


By the way, is it just me or that newspaper's bias radiates out of the screen?
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 11:51:48 am »

By the way, is it just me or that newspaper's bias radiates out of the screen?
It doesn't radiate, it reaches out and slaps you in the face.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2011, 11:52:12 am »

Telegraph = Highly conservative and Eurosceptic newspaper sensing another opportunity to rant about "dumb european laws"... sure similar has been done in the past about bannanas being too bent and the correct nomenclature for chocolate...

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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2011, 11:56:11 am »

Water does not prevent dehydration. It cures it.

Agreed.  This is probably what they should have said instead, which feels like a fair claim in my book.  Especially if that's what, you know, testing showed.  People will jump on band wagons and shout at stuff they don't understand, but I suppose the science in question here didn't do a whole lot to make its claim obvious.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2011, 11:56:24 am »

What the fuck am I reading.
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Re: Law: water can not prevent dehydration
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2011, 12:01:19 pm »

BRB - Throwing out all my water.
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