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[GreatWyrmGold]

Simple idea. Have the wagon placed, and then freeze the water on the map. This would a. make sense, b. keep dwarves from dying because there is a murky pool in the center of the embark that is frozen for the first few frames of every year, and c. hypothetically not require adding a lot of new code, just shuffling around what's already there.

Thoughts?

[MonkeyHead]

Or, embark in summer...

[antymattar]

Or not empark on a lake

[GreatWyrmGold]

Or, embark in summer...

We embark on the 1st of Granite, the beginning of the Dwarven year. I don't mind that in the least.

Or not embark on a lake

I've had dwarves start on frozen rivers and even a couple frozen murky pools, and heard of other such incidents from others. And I like wide, open expanses of water to build stuff on.

[antymattar]

I've had dwarves start on frozen rivers and even a couple frozen murky pools, and heard of other such incidents from others. And I like wide, open expanses of water to build stuff on.

I meant that you just shouldnt put the wagon on the water.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Ah...Also a possibility.

[Neyvn]

A solution would to be shifting the seasons back one month so it is equal to our own, but then again, in the olden times years (cycles) were from the start of Spring to the End of Winter...

Wait, how did we get to the point where the end of the year is in the middle of Winter/Summer *hemispheres pending

[Artanis00]

A solution would to be shifting the seasons back one month so it is equal to our own, but then again, in the olden times years (cycles) were from the start of Spring to the End of Winter...

Wait, how did we get to the point where the end of the year is in the middle of Winter/Summer *hemispheres pending

Same reason your astrological sign is no longer correct: the orientation of the Earth's axis rotates slowly. Basically, in ~13000 years northern hemisphere's summer equinox (mid-summer) will be in December.

Wikipedia: Precession (Astronomy)

[Aachen]

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Same reason your astrological sign is no longer correct: the orientation of the Earth's axis rotates slowly. Basically, in ~13000 years northern hemisphere's summer equinox (mid-summer) will be in December.

Wikipedia: Precession (Astronomy)

+1

[zwei]

What about simply making ice ineligible terrain for wagon placement instead of doing hacky stuff like reordering events.

Also, +1 to being able to embark in summer (or at any given date)

[GreatWyrmGold]

It seems to me that re-ordering events like I described would have the same effect, without needing any new code to check if the ground is made out of ice.

[zwei]

It seems to me that re-ordering events like I described would have the same effect, without needing any new code to check if the ground is made out of ice.

That assumes it is viable thing to do.

For example, there can be important steps between temperature calculations and placing wagon that must be done before placing wagon and after temperatures are set.

Also, simple stuff like this leads to weird issues more often than not. Writing new code that makes sense is not something you should try to avoid. Especially if other option is hack.