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Healing with saltwater?
« on: November 18, 2011, 01:00:56 pm »

On of my unlucky woodcutters got mauled to death by a giant badger. He even had an iron axe and actually knew how to use it, but reading the combat report I saw that it jumped on him, charging, and got him by surprise. The poor guy didn't even have a chance to defend himself, and managed to retaliate, and miss, only once, a few seconds before his death. That was the last message, beside him bleeding to death.

I'm also building a cistern as I have only saltwater. My masons got assaulted by the badgers, but noone has been killed, miraculously.

My rather decent militia (only a few waves of migrants, some were quite good soldiers). Proceed to chase them away. They kill them, and only one dwarf gets her head cut and later torn open, but she survived without any internal injuries.

Another wave of badgers appears and manages to injure many of my soldiers. They all have only one or two cuts that aren't that horrible, but they all get bedridden and must drink only water, that is salty. One of them luckily healed on his own, but his body is still dented. He is incredibly quick to heal, though.

 I don't know if I can finish the cistern in time, and I'd hate losing them to such minor cuts, especially while having about three great doctors and lots of cloth and thread (drowned the elven traders :P)
 
The water in the cavern's pools are also salty.  :( Do I have any options besides finishing the cistern?
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2011, 01:21:23 pm »

build a well?

i've heard that wells have the same water purification properties of a screw pump.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 01:31:55 pm »

See this thread:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=95811.msg2732917

In short, wells don't desalinate water, but dwarves are perfectly willing to use salty water from a well to drink and clean wounds.  Build one or more wells over a salt water source and have some spare buckets, and you should be fine.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 10:18:41 am »

Oh, thank Armok! Didn't expect it to be so... easy. I thought I'll have to build some dorfy project in order to get fresh water. I tried the crew pump method, but it would take too much time, the time that the wounded don't actually have.

I'll go build a well of two asap, and the doctors can start treating the poor soldiers. Thank you very much guys!

On a more grim note, as the militia was driving the giant badgers away, one of them attacked an unlucky civilian near the blacksmith area. The civilian dodged the attack... into a volcano .___.

You have discovered a great magma sea.
Then messages of various metals I have "struck" aka what he discovered while falling down.
Tukstis Monalahdo, Fish Cleaner, has bled to death.

The poor guy didn't even fall to the bottom, if there even is a bottom... He slowly melted in the magma while falling for hundreds of Z-levels (155 to be exact).
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 03:33:50 pm »

You have discovered a great magma sea.
Then messages of various metals I have "struck" aka what he discovered while falling down.
Tukstis Monalahdo, Fish Cleaner, has bled to death.

The poor guy didn't even fall to the bottom, if there even is a bottom... He slowly melted in the magma while falling for hundreds of Z-levels (155 to be exact).

Ouch.  I could see it though:

"Hey guys, there's tetrahedrite!  Now some gold...oh hey now there's some silver!  And some platinum just flashed by, oh wait, that's my life."
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 04:04:16 pm »

You have discovered a great magma sea.
Then messages of various metals I have "struck" aka what he discovered while falling down.
Tukstis Monalahdo, Fish Cleaner, has bled to death.

The poor guy didn't even fall to the bottom, if there even is a bottom... He slowly melted in the magma while falling for hundreds of Z-levels (155 to be exact).

Ouch.  I could see it though:

"Hey guys, there's tetrahedrite!  Now some gold...oh hey now there's some silver!  And some platinum just flashed by, oh wait, that's my life."
Guys, you have to see this!  Guys?  Guys?!  Damn, but its getting hot in here ...
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2011, 09:16:20 pm »

At least the last thing he saw was a shiny native gold wall :P

And this got me thinking... Is there any end to a volcano? How deep can creatures drop in there? I'm actually tempted to drop animals peasants elves in order to find candy veins more easily. But I'm afraid elves won't reveal the dark tiles, as they're not a part of my fortress.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2011, 09:56:55 pm »

Depending on what they are wearing, I believe they can fall/sink all the way to the bottom of Necro910's swimming pool the magma sea before dying of blood-loss from the burning.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2011, 01:24:25 pm »

Well, bottomless pits in 40d had no bottom to them, you could fall for IRL days and never hit the end. Maybe volcanoes are the same.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2011, 02:10:35 pm »

You have discovered a great magma sea.
Then messages of various metals I have "struck" aka what he discovered while falling down.
Tukstis Monalahdo, Fish Cleaner, has bled to death.

The poor guy didn't even fall to the bottom, if there even is a bottom... He slowly melted in the magma while falling for hundreds of Z-levels (155 to be exact).

Ouch.  I could see it though:

"Hey guys, there's tetrahedrite!  Now some gold...oh hey now there's some silver!  And some platinum just flashed by, oh wait, that's my life."

Ha! I had dropped this annoying mayor who kept asking for rat bone items down a volcano and he even found the candy veins when he reached the bottom magma seas. Then survived for a few clicks with major bone wounds and bled himself to death.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2011, 02:55:42 pm »

Depending on what they are wearing, I believe they can fall/sink all the way to the bottom of the magma sea before dying of blood-loss from the burning.
If you drop a creature into a volcano, it will fall all the way down to the bottom before it starts burning.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 05:30:25 pm »

You have discovered a great magma sea.
Then messages of various metals I have "struck" aka what he discovered while falling down.
Tukstis Monalahdo, Fish Cleaner, has bled to death.

The poor guy didn't even fall to the bottom, if there even is a bottom... He slowly melted in the magma while falling for hundreds of Z-levels (155 to be exact).

Ouch.  I could see it though:

"Hey guys, there's tetrahedrite!  Now some gold...oh hey now there's some silver!  And some platinum just flashed by, oh wait, that's my life."

Ha! I had dropped this annoying mayor who kept asking for rat bone items down a volcano and he even found the candy veins when he reached the bottom magma seas. Then survived for a few clicks with major bone wounds and bled himself to death.

I thought falls greater than 10 z-levels are always fatal and instant-kill.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 05:33:15 pm »

You have discovered a great magma sea.
Then messages of various metals I have "struck" aka what he discovered while falling down.
Tukstis Monalahdo, Fish Cleaner, has bled to death.

The poor guy didn't even fall to the bottom, if there even is a bottom... He slowly melted in the magma while falling for hundreds of Z-levels (155 to be exact).

Ouch.  I could see it though:

"Hey guys, there's tetrahedrite!  Now some gold...oh hey now there's some silver!  And some platinum just flashed by, oh wait, that's my life."

Ha! I had dropped this annoying mayor who kept asking for rat bone items down a volcano and he even found the candy veins when he reached the bottom magma seas. Then survived for a few clicks with major bone wounds and bled himself to death.

I thought falls greater than 10 z-levels are always fatal and instant-kill.

Falling through liquid doesn't count, and falling through Z-levels of liquid will actually partly negate levels fallen through air.  Bizarrely, water and magma seem to both work equally well.
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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 07:19:23 pm »

You have discovered a great magma sea.
Then messages of various metals I have "struck" aka what he discovered while falling down.
Tukstis Monalahdo, Fish Cleaner, has bled to death.

The poor guy didn't even fall to the bottom, if there even is a bottom... He slowly melted in the magma while falling for hundreds of Z-levels (155 to be exact).

Ouch.  I could see it though:

"Hey guys, there's tetrahedrite!  Now some gold...oh hey now there's some silver!  And some platinum just flashed by, oh wait, that's my life."

Ha! I had dropped this annoying mayor who kept asking for rat bone items down a volcano and he even found the candy veins when he reached the bottom magma seas. Then survived for a few clicks with major bone wounds and bled himself to death.

I thought falls greater than 10 z-levels are always fatal and instant-kill.

Falling through liquid doesn't count, and falling through Z-levels of liquid will actually partly negate levels fallen through air.  Bizarrely, water and magma seem to both work equally well.
There's a few threads about Dwarves falling 150 z lvls down a volcano through the lava, and actually bleeding to death before melting, or even breaking bones and stuff.
Makes you wonder, if you fell down a volcano....

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Re: Healing with saltwater?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 09:38:14 pm »

You should always design your wells to be non-accessible once filled, and always fill them with a screw pump. Best not to make them too elaborate. Dwarves always seem to panic to spew blood and pus everywhere once they get wind of a project to build a well.
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