Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Talvieno]

I just got a dwarven fortress good enough to become a mountainhome, for the first time. I wasn't looking forwards to providing rooms for the new Kingyboy, but interestingly enough - he never showed up. :\ I got a wave of migrants from one side of the map, and several legendary-skilled dwarves from the other who happily discarded their weapons and armor where they entered my realm and strolled carefree over the river and though the woods - and almost got eaten by undead. But there wasn't a king. Nor was there anything even close. I scrolled carefully through the units list - nothing. It doesn't list him on the nobles screen either. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right place?

[i2amroy]

I would assume that it is possible for the king to die and not be replaced during world ten, thus meaning you could never actually receive one at your fort. Check the (c)ivilization tab and see if the dwarven civ has "no important leaders" or something similar to that.

[Talvieno]

Completely right, it says "This land has no important leaders". So my civilization doesn't have a king, then... Is there anything I can do about it?

[Rowanas]

Establish an anarcho-communist commune. That way, you won't feel like you're missing out.

[Talvieno]

Establish an anarcho-communist commune. That way, you won't feel like you're missing out.

Not so sure that's a good idea...
Anarchy = all for one one for one and one for all all for all = Urist McPartyboy is holding a party at the limestone statue = Dwarves are already anarchists from the beginning.
And as for communists... You know what they say about Soviet Russia...

[Talvieno]

I hate double-posting, but despite my sorry attempt at humor, I really am serious about this. =P I'd be happy to settle for modifying the raws to make a monarch show up, if there's any way to do it. It did say he'd arrived, after all.

[Sphalerite]

You could change your entity raws to make the monarch manually appointed, but changes to the entity raws require a world regen, so it's not going to help you with an existing world.  There's nothing you can do with this one - the monarch is dead, and there doesn't seem to be any way to generate a new monarch in fortress mode.

[assimilateur]

Interesting. I would have bet the only way to be without a leader was if there was nobody to appoint. As in, if the whole civilization got wiped out.

[Garath]

Establish an anarcho-communist commune. That way, you won't feel like you're missing out.

Not so sure that's a good idea...
Anarchy = all for one one for one and one for all all for all = Urist McPartyboy is holding a party at the limestone statue = Dwarves are already anarchists from the beginning.
And as for communists... You know what they say about Soviet Russia...

lol yeah, i know what they say, and all the people who study politics agree that it wasnt actually communism, but some way to get poor people to work without having to pay them (much). Communism and socialism are philosophies. Capitalism hasnt been implemented yet either (if it was, whats all those copyright laws doing? protecting the market? its supposed to be free)

[i2amroy]

Interesting. I would have bet the only way to be without a leader was if there was nobody to appoint. As in, if the whole civilization got wiped out.

I seem to remember that this is a bug related to the whole no nobles show thing. I seem to remember somebody a while back came up with a prince position that inherited the king position if the king died, so as long as they both didn't die then the king remained.

[Talvieno]

You could change your entity raws to make the monarch manually appointed, but changes to the entity raws require a world regen, so it's not going to help you with an existing world.  There's nothing you can do with this one - the monarch is dead, and there doesn't seem to be any way to generate a new monarch in fortress mode.

All right, thanks, that answers my question. I think I'll either flood my fortress with water now or join the circus. Losing is a lot more fun than this framerate and nothing new happening.

Establish an anarcho-communist commune. That way, you won't feel like you're missing out.

Not so sure that's a good idea...
Anarchy = all for one one for one and one for all all for all = Urist McPartyboy is holding a party at the limestone statue = Dwarves are already anarchists from the beginning.
And as for communists... You know what they say about Soviet Russia...

lol yeah, i know what they say, and all the people who study politics agree that it wasnt actually communism, but some way to get poor people to work without having to pay them (much). Communism and socialism are philosophies. Capitalism hasnt been implemented yet either (if it was, whats all those copyright laws doing? protecting the market? its supposed to be free)

Enh, I was making a Yakov Smirnov style joke: "In Soviet Russia, cats cage you" -- it was a fail. And I don't study politics, though I know that what exactly Stalin was doing isn't agreed on by everyone. From what I've seen, it's usually hard to apply philosophy to real-world circumstances and events. I do agree with you, though, that it wasn't "Communism" in the strictest sense. Not so sure I agree with you about Capitalism - it's a lot less well-defined than Communism and has a lot of different definitions, and the classification of an economic system can depend largely on how you define the philosophy. I think the current state of economy could be closest classified as "a mess". But at least it runs.

Interesting. I would have bet the only way to be without a leader was if there was nobody to appoint. As in, if the whole civilization got wiped out.

I seem to remember that this is a bug related to the whole no nobles show thing. I seem to remember somebody a while back came up with a prince position that inherited the king position if the king died, so as long as they both didn't die then the king remained.

It is kind of interesting, in a way. You'd think the nobles in the Mountainhome would fight over who would be king next. I think it's not so much a bug that you can't reappoint a king, but that the game doesn't reappoint one itself.

[Sphalerite]

What I have noticed on looking through world history on many worlds is a string of dwarven leaders that lasted less than a year before being killed by a megabeast or converted by a night creature.  When that happens, the next monarch isn't appointed till the beginning of the next year.  In one of those worlds, you might never be able to get a monarch, since fortress embarks always start at the beginning of a year, and new monarchs can't be appointed during fortress mode play.

[Talvieno]

What I have noticed on looking through world history on many worlds is a string of dwarven leaders that lasted less than a year before being killed by a megabeast or converted by a night creature.  When that happens, the next monarch isn't appointed till the beginning of the next year.  In one of those worlds, you might never be able to get a monarch, since fortress embarks always start at the beginning of a year, and new monarchs can't be appointed during fortress mode play.

Actually, no. Looking in the legends, the last king of The Problematic Palisade was Sarvesh Stoppedgilt. Sarvesh was born in the year 120 of unknown parentage, and in 204 became the king of The Problematic Palisade. During the next two years, Sarvesh fought three major battles with various beasts, and in each he was defeated, but managed to escape unscathed (fled in fear?). He starved to death in the wilderness soon after. That was in 206. Snaketown, my fortress, was founded in 264, and I stopped world generation at 250. That leaves 44 years where they could've picked another king.

[khearn]

Actually, no. Looking in the legends, the last king of The Problematic Palisade was Sarvesh Stoppedgilt. Sarvesh was born in the year 120 of unknown parentage, and in 204 became the king of The Problematic Palisade. During the next two years, Sarvesh fought three major battles with various beasts, and in each he was defeated, but managed to escape unscathed (fled in fear?). He starved to death in the wilderness soon after. That was in 206. Snaketown, my fortress, was founded in 264, and I stopped world generation at 250. That leaves 44 years where they could've picked another king.

Maybe after watching Sarvesh bravely run away from three fights and starve in the wilderness they said, "You know, maybe this whole 'King' thing isn't such a good idea after all?"