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[Callista]

The challenge: Liberalize the country, starting from Nightmare mode (CCS optional) without ever breaking the law. This includes breaking the law whether or not anybody sees you doing it, whether or not it goes on your record. So, no unlocking doors, no being where you're not supposed to be, no kidnapping, no graffiti, no public disturbances... which means no Juice, not for a long time. Even playing the guitar to the Conservatives generates loitering charges, so that wasn't allowed either.

Yes, it's possible...

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The strategy? Make love, not war. Lots and lots of love.

At zero juice, nobody but the LCS leader can recruit anybody normally. I initially expanded the LCS by seducing high-Charisma Liberals who then recruited more high-Charisma people. I gained funds by tailoring and then had everyone teach everything they knew to everybody else. High intelligence was useful there, and that gave everybody a reasonable Seduction skill to expand the network further.

With a few people really good at Seduction, I started seducing Firemen as well as high-Intelligence Lawyers and Judges. The Firemen stayed at the Fireman HQ as sleepers, laying low until their effectiveness reached the 80% mark or thereabouts, and then advocating Liberalism there. The high-intelligence people started writing letters to newspapers. Sleepers and letters to newspapers shifted public opinion very slightly, but I still hadn't got free speech to C or better by 2019.

The CCS was problematic--despite regular rampages, they kept pulling public opinion back to conservative, and a couple of times the Arch-Conservative Amendment was unsuccessfully proposed. Thankfully, somebody on here told me that invading the CCS home base doesn't cause murder charges... So I had one of the most charismatic people seduce a CCS member I found wandering the park, recruit him as a sleeper, found their first safehouse, and started shooting. I had to stay in the entryway because unlocking a door would have been breaking and entering; but that allowed me to train a squad to a decent level of juice and Rifle skill. This was all legal, because it's not illegal to kill CCS members at their safehouses; and the AK-47s were legally bought at the pawn shop.

What was amusing about all of this was that killing off the CCS generated a lot of Heat without ever causing anybody to get charged with anything; so the safehouse was raided three times in total. Since trying to escape the siege is resisting arrest and thus illegal, we gave up immediately. The police couldn't arrest anybody, because nobody had broken the law--they just confiscated everything stored there. The public reacted to this by pushing the laws about police behavior all the way to Moderate.

Taking out the CCS allowed the LCS to become more influential, and public opinion started shifting very slowly toward Liberal. Around 2021, Free Speech finally hit Conservative, and the LCS bought a printing press and started up the Liberal Guardian. No special editions allowed, since there's no way of obtaining information for them legally; but with more than fifty people writing for the Guardian daily, the changes started piling up, and eventually the public decided to re-elect the government and kick out the Supreme Court.

Elite Liberal victory happened in 2027.

Do other possible strategies exist?

[Elodie Hiras]

I think sleepers snooping around don't count as a crime, if they get caught, they are just fired.

Apart from that, I knew it was possible, but incredibly boring.

[Neonivek]

Isn't plotting against the government illegal?

Or heck... Just being the LCS in Nightmare mode (where they likely repealed the "right of association") illegal in esssence?

[Coronel_Niel]

"What was amusing about all of this was that killing off the CCS generated a lot of Heat without ever causing anybody to get charged with anything; so the safehouse was raided three times in total"

"his includes breaking the law whether or not anybody sees you doing it, whether or not it goes on your record."

Herp.

[Bardum Idith]

"What was amusing about all of this was that killing off the CCS generated a lot of Heat without ever causing anybody to get charged with anything; so the safehouse was raided three times in total"

"his includes breaking the law whether or not anybody sees you doing it, whether or not it goes on your record."

Herp.

From an elite liberal viewpoint CCS members aren't human and thus not protceted by the law...

[Jonathan S. Fox]

There are ideas for enabling the CCS to be destroyed non-violently (exposing scandals about their supporters, maybe turning the police on them), but in the current game, this is the best you can do if they're enabled. To do this without breaking the law AT ALL, the game should be set to classic mode -- otherwise, an exception has to be made for attacking the CCS.

[Servant Corps]

There are ideas for enabling the CCS to be destroyed non-violently (exposing scandals about their supporters, maybe turning the police on them), but in the current game, this is the best you can do if they're enabled. To do this without breaking the law AT ALL, the game should be set to classic mode -- otherwise, an exception has to be made for attacking the CCS.

I still think it's possible to deal with the CCS anyway, as long as you have enough sleepers to dampen their assaults, though you probably need to disband soon before the CCS finds out. I wish I had the time or patience to try it out.

[Grimith]

The OP is inherently flawed. If the challenge is to avoid breaking the law "whether or not anyone sees you do it, whether or not it goes on your record," then murdering anyone - even members of the CCS at one of their safehouses - violates the challenge. You'd either have to leave the CCS disabled in the game options or win the game without destroying the CCS.

Leaving the CCS alive isn't so bad. They often go on rampages, and cycling between your safehouses allows you to escape potential attacks (although it can be time-consuming). With enough folks advocating Liberalism, I imagine you would eventually get over the "Free Speech to Conservatism" hump and run the Liberal Guardian the rest of the way to victory.

[Callista]

If the law doesn't consider it murder to kill a Conservative at a CCS safehouse, then it's not a crime. I tested this--go in, kill one Conservative while another one is watching; after you leave, you don't have murder on your record. I guess it's similar to the way a soldier killing an enemy soldier in battle has not committed a crime.

You also don't get charged with murder for killing guard dogs at C+ to L, or tanks, or genetic nightmares.

Yeah, you can shut down the CCS without killing anybody by having a lot of sleepers there. You don't actually destroy them; your sleepers just make them ineffectual. I'm not sure how it works--but with five sleepers at the CCS, they didn't start raiding again for quite a long time after destruction of a safehouse.

[EuchreJack]

"What was amusing about all of this was that killing off the CCS generated a lot of Heat without ever causing anybody to get charged with anything; so the safehouse was raided three times in total"

"his includes breaking the law whether or not anybody sees you doing it, whether or not it goes on your record."

Herp.

From an elite liberal viewpoint CCS members aren't human and thus not protceted by the law...

This is flawed thinking.  Elite Liberals think terrorists and animals are human, thus they would also "extend liberal love" to the CCS members.  As the Elite Liberal thinking goes, the CCS members aren't bad, just misguided.  They need re-education and re-introduction in Elite Liberal society.

Which points out why killing the CCS sort of breaks the "no crime" run.  It's not against the Conservative Legal System...it's against basic Elite Liberal Human Rights.

In a society that views the death penalty as barbaric, killing the CCS members must seem inhuman.

Still, I applaud the OP for running a near-perfect "no crime" run: It must have been really boring, and far more work than I'd be willing to put into it.  Give me action in my games, every time.  Kudos.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

The reason killing CCS members doesn't go on your criminal record is because the CCS is another criminal organization which wants to steer clear of the police just as much as you do. The CCS doesn't EVER call the police for help, so your crimes go unreported. It's not that it isn't illegal; the police just never find out.

[Callista]

Shutting them down with sleepers seems to be the best option, then. I just started with the CCS active since it seemed to give me an extra obstacle to overcome. Next time I'll just use sleepers. Seducing them directly from the CCS safehouse will be possible once that first sleeper gives away the location.

For the record--and it wasn't actually boring. Lots of recruiting, dating, managing sleepers, managing funds... You have to be pretty choosy about who you recruit when you know they'll likely never gain any juice. And yeah, waiting; but holding down the "w" key will make a month pass in a couple of seconds.

[tahujdt]

Holy necro, Batman!
Anyway, in the latest edition you can publish a CCS backer list that will destroy the CCS inside of a year. The masterminds behind the CCS are exposed and arrested. But, I don't know how to get it besides hacking the CIA supercomputer.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Holy necro, Batman!
Anyway, in the latest edition you can publish a CCS backer list that will destroy the CCS inside of a year. The masterminds behind the CCS are exposed and arrested. But, I don't know how to get it besides hacking the CIA supercomputer.

There is another way!

It's pretty rare that you'd be in that circumstance though.

[tahujdt]

If it's rare, how? CCS Sleepers? Once, I had a guy with 28 Charisma and maxed out persuasion, and he could recruit CEOs by just talking to them. So I would recruit CCS vigilantes and send them back upon the safehouses.