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[Zeebie]

Hey folks-

I've managed to both accidentally tap the entrance to the circus and intentionally trap the clowns under a hatch.  As I ponder the options for retaking the lower levels of my fortress, I'm wondering about some things:

- Is the number of clowns finite?

- Do they always appear on the units list?  I only have 6 or so listed, which can't be right

- Are they affected by ballista and spear traps?

And in the interest of avoiding this in the future, is the entrance to the circus always the same size (eg, 4x4)?

[Edmus]

- Is the number of clowns finite?
No they wander in from the edge of the map in the circus.
No more waves though.
- Do they always appear on the units list?  I only have 6 or so listed, which can't be right
No, they need to be in a place your dwarves(or cats) have scouted, meaning most of them have returned to the circus or wandered into unsealed caverns and are playing in you blind spots
- Are they affected by ballista and spear traps?
Ballista shots can kill them, traps are useless, I think GIANT cave spider web lets them be hit by traps however.
 -2x2 pillar?
yes but they may not line up.

[Edmus]

- Is the number of clowns finite?
No they wander in from the edge of the map in the circus.
No more waves though.
- Do they always appear on the units list?  I only have 6 or so listed, which can't be right
No, they need to be in a place your dwarves(or cats) have scouted, meaning most of them have returned to the circus or wandered into unsealed caverns and are playing in you blind spots
- Are they affected by ballista and spear traps?
Ballista shots can kill them probably, traps are useless, I think GIANT cave spider web lets them be hit by traps however.
 -2x2 pillar?
yes but they may not line up.

[Tirion]

Upright spear trap connected to lever sound like it should work... provided they don't melt it first. Some demons are too hot for anything but candy.

[Reudh]

While they are finite, they can move throught the underworld in the same way the FBs do through caverns, so expect a massive undertaking. Controlled cave-ins work wonders if you're willing to sacrifice a few dwarves to do it, though it would have to be in an inaccessible room to prevent fliers.

[Zeebie]

Thanks folks.  The fact that the initial burst of clowns can be dispersed just by waiting for a bit is very valuable.  Right now there are a bunch of flame and shadow clowns cruising around the bottom cavern attacking the livestock I had pastured there.  However, I guess these are too insubstantial, because they have been attacking a reindeer for a year with no effect. Highly entertaining, but seriously messing up my combat reports screen.

[i2amroy]

The Balrog lashes the reindeer with his fiery whip!
It passes straight through!

hehe.

Anyways just to clarify a bit since we got two different responses for the infinite question. The first wave of clowns spawned when you breach the circus is limited, however clowns (that do not automatically attempt to come slaughter your dwarves, they function a little more like extremely dangerous wildlife) will continue to wander in from the map edges and glowing pits indefinitely.

[Reudh]

Moral of the story? Wall it off. As soon as you breach the circus and have defeated the first wave, build yourself a little house that dwarves can enter. Just so you can say you did it. Give it a roof though, there are a lot of fliers.

[jaxler]

dwarfs and the final frontire CANDY LAND. i hope you win the fight as you make a stake for all dwarf kind in that hellish land of candy watch as the cnady clowns arise from the ashes and fight to the death because you dwarfs are edicted to candy.

so make a hell fort and plz plz plz post a photo