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[Wiles]

Well that's unfortunate. Nice to know all the time and effort I put into mastering the mechs I own is going to be wiped. I'll have plenty of XP to spend but not enough c-bills to even come close to mastering as many mechs as I had mastered before.

[MrRoboto75]

I guess, although a full respec ends up costing as much as the 'mech did in the first place...

I dunno, how often will you need a full respec?  I suspect once you get stuff like speed tweak and radar derp you aren't going to spec out of them.  Only thing you might be specing out of often is weapon quirks.

[Flying Dice]

Yep. This is going to tip things further in favor of clan scum, boating, and strip all the fun out of trying out different/joke builds.

Fuck me, can't even see myself bothering to pick MWO back up again, especially now that we're so close to the BTech top-down tactical game hitting beta.

[Kanil]

Yep. This is going to tip things further in favor of clan scum, boating, and strip all the fun out of trying out different/joke builds.

Fuck me, can't even see myself bothering to pick MWO back up again, especially now that we're so close to the BTech top-down tactical game hitting beta.

This is definitely a "shit game, quit forever" moment, if it goes live as-is.

I dunno, how often will you need a full respec?

Probably never. A partial respec is still going to be like 2-2.5m CBs though, which is still a pretty decent amount just to go from one type of laser to a different one.

[Flying Dice]

I would say that I don't know why they did this, but we all know it was for the $$$ by keeping people in the grind. Yeah, the mastery grind sucked, but once you had three you were done, and you only really needed one set of modules if you weren't doing FW. Now you have the wonderful choice between paying millions of CB every time you want to chance a 'mech's loadout or buying another one of that 'mech and grinding it all the way up to 91 SP every time you want to try a different loadout.

Seriously, fuck them. Fuck them with a splintered bat wound with rusty barbed wire.

The saddest part is that this could have been great. It could have been an addition to the quirk system that only required you to unlock skill nodes once, with free respeccing between any that you'd already unlocked. That would have been... well, not great, since it would still encourage boating, but better than this shit.

[Ruludos]

If it makes anyone feel better, the near-universal backlash has convinced PGI to push the changes back a month. Paul Inouye also said that the values in the pts were placeholders and that the values that eventually go live would be less extreme.

[Flying Dice]

Still doesn't fix the fact that this is a hard nerf of a lot of (heh) quirky IS 'mechs. The LCT-1V and SDR-5K will both be dumpstered since they're losing their -50% cooldown quirks, the BJ-1 is neutered without the set of ballistic quirks that made it an AC/2 machine gun, the story repeats for every single IS 'mech that was viable because it had a set of extraordinary quirks which made it work well with a particular weapon. This is basically just "Hey, remember when Clan 'mechs were P2W? How about we make them even more OP by letting them use a bunch of decent quirks while stripping all the really good quirks off of IS 'mechs!"

I mean JFC we're going to see Kodiaks with full stacked defensive tree quirks, we're going to see ERPPC/Gauss timbies with offensive quirks, all this shit, and IS 'mechs are going to be objectively as well as relatively weaker in the same timeframe. Basically just go buy yourself some clanner trash once this rolls around since almost everything else is gonna get stomped.

That, and it's just PGI doubling down on encouraging boating. If you can only reasonably get one offensive tree, filled for one weapon type, why the hell wouldn't you boat? Should have done something with a higher SP cap and increasing costs as you go down trees, so maxing one out would mean having little left over for other stuff, making dips 1/2 or 1/3 of the way down a selection of trees more viable. That'd discourage boating and give an easy way to balance Clan vs. IS by giving Clan 'mechs a lower SP cap.

[MrRoboto75]

Skill Tree update:

-Buying nodes is now about 40% cheaper, 60,000 c-bills and 800 EXP.
-Respecs are now free of charge, and if you decide to spec back into a node you previously bought, its only 400 XP, no c-bill cost.  Respecing no longer returns the EXP cost, obv.
-All firepower trees have been consolidated into a single tree.  Ie cooldown affects all weapons.  Some specific quirks, like laser duration or gauss charge, still exist somewhere in the main firepower skill tree.
-Survival tree is getting nerfed by having it spread out over more nodes.  There's also new nodes for reducing the chance of getting critted.
-Operations tree is also getting more spread out.
-Jump jet tree gives bigger benefits, nodes for reducing JJ heat.
-Auxiliary tree for boosting the effects of consumables.

Oh, and mobility, as in torso twisting and such, will no longer be tied to the size of the engine.

[Flying Dice]

Holy shit PGI did something good! Lots of things good! Though frankly collapsing all of the weapon skill nodes into a single universal tree already removes most of the need to respec.

Though JJs got buffed? They were already looking pretty crazy in the new system.

[MrRoboto75]

Only the skills to quirk them did.

living legends' JJs are still better

Oh and the Supernova is on the live servers now.

[Flying Dice]

New info re: skill tree.

-Pushed off to future update in favor of more redesign and public tests.
-PGI realizes that they messed up:

However, achieving Skill status under the original system represented more than just using experience points to unlock associated Skills; it represented time and commitment. The proper transition to a new Skill Tree needs to account for more than just raw currency.

Players with fewer Modules were hit particularly hard by this, with a greater burden of subsequent costs to re-gain their Skill statuses.

It was never our intention to devalue the effort and playing time you’ve put toward your ‘Mechs, and while full details will need to wait until we can complete some of the preliminary investigation and work to ensure the system is solid and technically feasible, our continued work on the Skill Tree will be to address all of the above shortcomings and issues. 

Whether you own a hundred Modules or none, there will be no lost progress in the relative Skill statuses of your ‘Mechs. The work you’ve already put in to achieve Mastery, or any other degree of Skill status under the current system, will carry over into an equal capacity for acquiring any desired Skills under the new Skill Tree.

[Kanil]

Also the new tech "news" is out now, as well.

Curiously, they're adding ATMs... which means they've either added ammo switching (which seems unlikely) or they're going to be... creatively implemented.

Four new 'mechs as well -- Uziel, Annihilator, Cougar, and the Not Timber Wolf MkII.

[Wiles]

The new skill tree is out on the live servers now. The system and the way it converts your old xp is pretty convoluted. At least this time around if you had all the skills on a mech unlocked before the change it won't cost you anything to use acquire the 91 skillpoints you need.

I really don't care for the new system, it is hard to believe they spent all that time to come up with something as pointless as this. After looking at the system I'm not sure what value it has added to the game. The skill tree is incredibly uninteresting and it is going to be quite tedious to upgrade your mechs if you have a lot of them.

I was looking forward to coming back to the game when the new tech comes out but I don't know if I will now. I suppose I'll just have to get my giant stompy robot fix from the new battletech game.

[Mattk50]

Well, MW:LL got another awesome patch recently

[Hanzoku]

Hah, got back into this briefly because of the megamek thread... I feel like they've butchered the feel
of BattleTech thoroughly though. Took the trial Dire Wolf for a spin a few times and died like a chump within 20 seconds of being engaged each time. I really don't feel like I'm in the heaviest assault mech available, and didn't even want to try a medium or light mech because they'll just die even faster.

On the upside, I freed up 40GB pretty quickly!