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Author Topic: A question about religion.  (Read 6880 times)

Neonivek

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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 10:07:46 pm »

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Christianity's a big one.

I don't know... ohh wait... nevermind I am thinking of another religion.

Anyhow one of the ways of looking at it is that any religion is ultimately an institution with people.

Why would two buisnesses fight eachother even if both of them boast great ethics? Why would two nations fight eachother when they both boast peacefulness?

Oddly enough a lot of the time the reason for "religious" wars couldn't be further from religion and are often for geopolitical gain (Heck the Crusades is often considered the largest most deadly religious war in history and yet the practices including razes and convert or die were adopted for use in the crusades but were otherwise common practices). It is why I often consider any statement of "Religion causes wars" to be silly.

So what specific "High-moral" religion fight are you refering to anyhow? and by High-moral I assume you mean a religion with an actual moral docterine your expected to adhere by.

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Power makes all the faults in society and people all the more noticable. As well for the most part corrupt people are the ones who know how to get the power while humble saintly people tend to barred from such.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 10:09:19 pm »

Unfortunately a lot of 'high-moral' religions have a lot of people that have far more ego than morals. People who try to actually follow what their religion says (often along the lines of 'be humble and kind to everyone') might at worst pester people about converting to their religion or try and point out problems with lifestyles, and are thoroughly disappointed and sometimes disgusted at the things that their so-called brethren do in the name of the religion. There's also the fact that people like this are few and far between.

On the other hand, I for one am happy that in the West people don't actually follow what their religion says. Just look at Muslim countries... And read the bible... And Israel...

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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 10:10:04 pm »

Are religions that teach that they are the only way broken?

"not considered" By whom?

Why would a book say that?

Why does the truth about unprovable things matter?

Why does factionalism connect to religion?

Why does power corrupt?

1. Dunno.

2. Not considered by those who do try to be good Christians. That's unfortunately a fairly vague term since a lot of the judgemental Christians see themselves as "good."

3. I don't know, I didn't write it and I wasn't around when it was written. It's one of the odd things about religion.

4. It matters in people's minds, and that's enough of a matter to stop the Earth in the sky when it's in our hands.

5. Because religions by their nature cause factions with different beliefs.

6. Because people who gain power often aren't mature enough to use it safely.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 10:12:51 pm »

Everyone's a hypocrite.

How so?

People are quick to judge other people for their flaws and immoral behaviour, but will make up rationalizations and lie to themselves about how it's not really a flaw or immoral when they themselves do it. It seems to be an unfortunate but fundamental problem with how our minds work, and we all have to struggle to not act that way.

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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 10:14:39 pm »

It's a big topic. Everyone has something to say about it.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 10:16:15 pm »

Everyone's a hypocrite.

How so?

People are quick to judge other people for their flaws and immoral behaviour, but will make up rationalizations and lie to themselves about how it's not really a flaw or immoral when they themselves do it. It seems to be an unfortunate but fundamental problem with how our minds work, and we all have to struggle to not act that way.

...damn, lots of ninjas here tonight.

I don't really consider "Hypocrite" to be as serious of a character flaw as most people make it out to be.

It is one of those terms I think people overhype as "EVIL!" but that simply represents the limitation of being a human being.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2011, 10:18:16 pm »

Are religions that teach that they are the only way broken?
Which ones are these? Most of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam believe that all of those three go to heaven (ie Judaism believes Christians and Muslims go to heaven, Christianity believes that Jews and Muslims go to heaven, and Islam believes Jews and Ebonites go to heaven. Catholicism, at least, believes that you only don't go to heaven if you consciously reject God)
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"not considered" By whom?

Therein lies the hypocrisy.
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Why would a book say that?

Product of the times and of people's beliefs.

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Why does the truth about unprovable things matter?

Because most religions view these things as provable, and thus those who view it as unprovable either way are being lazy in their eyes.

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Why does factionalism connect to religion?
because humanity

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Why does power corrupt?
because humanity.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2011, 10:20:29 pm »

Why does the truth about unprovable things matter?

From where are you going to prove those provable things?

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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2011, 10:24:46 pm »

Why is there evil?

Why are certain people such hypocrites?

Why do people think God(s) are provable or disprovable?

Why are people sainted or corrupt?
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2011, 10:26:12 pm »

Why is there evil?

Why are certain people such hypocrites?

Why do people think God(s) are provable or disprovable?

Why are people sainted or corrupt?

It's never clear cut, and most of our actions are based on Freud, or more specifically, public image.

Except for the God part, mostly communal up-bringing is to blame.

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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 10:29:24 pm »

Dude, down this path lies madness. Either turn back now, or dedicate some time into reading the scriptures of the major religions. Possibly including the theological texts that were written after the scriptures were canonized.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2011, 10:32:15 pm »

Dude, down this path lies madness. Either turn back now, or dedicate some time into reading the scriptures of the major religions. Possibly including the theological texts that were written after the scriptures were canonized.

I have, they are all nice and very misleadingly directional.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2011, 10:33:02 pm »

Why is there evil?
Define "evil."

That's an answer in more ways than one, incidentally.

Why are certain people such hypocrites?
It's easier to dictate how you'd like things to be than to limit/improve yourself.

Why do people think God(s) are provable or disprovable?
We've already been over this.

Why are people sainted or corrupt?
We've already been over this.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2011, 10:34:25 pm »

They're doing you a favor, in their minds, by aggressively working to bring you into the fold and if you're dead-set in a different religion that makes you a bad person, in their eyes.
That's how some people think of it (and act on it), but that is not how it is supposed to be. The attempt to convert people, (by people who know what they are talking about) is meant to be based around the fact that in my religion you will be cast into the pits of hell at the end of days unless you repent and accept my savior as your own. Some people think of it as a "They need to convert or they're terrible people" thing, but that is not what it should be, it is about saving people from Hell. At the end of days, I will look back and know all the people I could have helped, and it haunts me now, how I cannot even discuss my religion among people I've known for years, at the risk of being outcast.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2011, 10:34:54 pm »

Why is there evil?

Why are certain people such hypocrites?

Why do people think God(s) are provable or disprovable?

Why are people sainted or corrupt?

Because you have free will.

Big explanation here.

God created us out of an overflowing of love. He created us so as to be able to love Him. But in doing so, He gave us free will. Free will means that we have the ability to choose to do anything we wish to do.

That means we have the choice to do what is evil. To break the relationship between you and God.




Because it is part of their personality, I guess.


Wait, wait, wait.

You can find him via following your reason and your conscience.


Because they choose to be? I'm not sure what you're asking here.
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