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A question about religion.
« on: November 06, 2011, 09:42:25 pm »

Well, I've been wondering about this for quite a while, and I stupidly never thought to ask other people, but I'd like to figure it out so I'll ask here.

Why don't high morals religions get along with other high moral religions?

I mean they both want the best, why don't they get along and have the best instead of fighting and having the worst?
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2011, 09:45:13 pm »

Two things.

One is they do. In some cases at least. Some of that had really been good for the world.

But, the more vocal and perhaps majority of times is because the morals might be close they view the differences as more important.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2011, 09:46:44 pm »

Ok then why do differences matter?
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2011, 09:47:24 pm »

Mostly because we believe our God(s) to be the one(or more) true god(s). This causes strife between us and the other religions who all thing the same thing.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2011, 09:48:08 pm »

Unfortunately a lot of 'high-moral' religions have a lot of people that have far more ego than morals. People who try to actually follow what their religion says (often along the lines of 'be humble and kind to everyone') might at worst pester people about converting to their religion or try and point out problems with lifestyles, and are thoroughly disappointed and sometimes disgusted at the things that their so-called brethren do in the name of the religion. There's also the fact that people like this are few and far between.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2011, 09:50:50 pm »

Some can, and some individuals in some religions can get along.  The exclusive, proselytizing religions (Islam and Christianity are the big ones) tend to butt heads with other religions, especially each other, because you can't get into their afterlife unless you're one of them.  They're doing you a favor, in their minds, by aggressively working to bring you into the fold and if you're dead-set in a different religion that makes you a bad person, in their eyes.

A lot of it is individual though.  Many people can get along just fine with others.  My grandma is a very ardent Christian and she's friends with the local clan (I guess that's the right word.  There's a lot of them in an area near where we live and they're all friends or relatives) of Pakistani Muslims, who are very tolerant and really embody the whole "Islam is a religion of peace" thing.

It's not the fact that they have high morals, it's the fact that in their eyes, members of other religions (even if they have similar morals or origin) don't go to heaven, and they should change their ways.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2011, 09:54:58 pm »

Why does the number of god(s) and dominance matter at all?

Why do people judge others, when their religions say its wrong?

Why wouldn't people go to heaven?
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2011, 09:56:57 pm »

Why does the number of god(s) and dominance matter at all?

Why do people judge others, when their religions say its wrong?

Why wouldn't people go to heaven?
I'll probably end up starting a flamewar by saying this but...

Everyone's a hypocrite.

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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2011, 09:57:26 pm »

Why does the number of god(s) and dominance matter at all?

Why do people judge others, when their religions say its wrong?

Why wouldn't people go to heaven?
I'll probably end up starting a flamewar by saying this but...

Everyone's a hypocrite.

How so?
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2011, 09:58:33 pm »

Several religions teach that the way that they are taught is the only way into heaven. Christianity's a big one.

Judgement, however, is considered sinful in Christianity. People who are Christian and judge are usually not considered very good Christians.

People wouldn't go to Heaven because the magical book says so, whatever magical book that might be.

Edit: Thankfully, not everyone's a hypocrite. Some people try to do things exactly as their religion says. They usually don't do it perfectly, but the 'best' people in a religion, often with that opinion coming from both inside and outside of that religion's opinion, are those who try to follow the guidelines of their religion as well as they can. I have personal experience with these kinds of people, namely my pastor who's a really awesome guy. Mister Rogers is another good example, and one that more people can understand.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2011, 09:59:34 pm »

There's also the more mundane issues of factionalism and stubbornness. Oftimes it's not really about a religion's underlying message so much as the fact that We are Group X and They are Group Y and that's a Bad Thing.


Why does the number of god(s) and dominance matter at all?
Because it's a discussion of what's true and not. People tend to get rather uptight about that, even, nay, especially for subjects where they're pretty much speaking from the heart or otherwise don't have a lot of ground to stand on.

Why do people judge others, when their religions say its wrong?
Very few religions clearly and unequivocally state that telling someone they're wrong when they are is bad. Anything less can result in just about anything wriggling through, under the right circumstances.

Why wouldn't people go to heaven?
See my answers on factionalism and truth.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 09:59:58 pm »

A good chunk of it has to do with religion being highly manipulatable. If your religious authority is corrupt and tells you "go kill these people; god says so" it becomes your moral obligation to do so (see: the crusades, jihad, numerous others). And of course if you speak out against this, you're speaking out against God and you see where that's going.

Religion is far from the only thing susceptible to this, of course. Nationalism is just as egregious.
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 10:03:35 pm »

Are religions that teach that they are the only way broken?

"not considered" By whom?

Why would a book say that?

Why does the truth about unprovable things matter?

Why does factionalism connect to religion?

Why does power corrupt?
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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 10:06:28 pm »

Why does the number of god(s) and dominance matter at all?

Why do people judge others, when their religions say its wrong?

Why wouldn't people go to heaven?
I'll probably end up starting a flamewar by saying this but...

Everyone's a hypocrite.

How so?
Yeah, "Do not murder" then go crusade. Do not judge, then go judge the crap out of all nonbelievers and heretics. Things like that.

Religious tolerance is in the Bible and the Koran, if I'm not mistaken. See: KILL THE INFIDELS/HERETICS

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Re: A question about religion.
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2011, 10:07:25 pm »

Are religions that teach that they are the only way broken?
That's a matter of opinion. And definition.

"not considered" By whom?
Other, better Christians, presumably.

Why would a book say that?
Because people like that notion, and like books that say what they like.

Why does the truth about unprovable things matter?
Because people care about them.

Why does factionalism connect to religion?
Because they are/can be factions and facets of factions.

Why does power corrupt?
Because people are bad at making it do otherwise. The full explanation is probably more detailed than you're looking for.
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