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Re: I'm Training Like A Masochist (And You're Invited!)
« Reply #150 on: June 11, 2012, 02:52:29 pm »

How effective would it be without the wieghts?

Try it out and see how it effects you. Watch some videos if you need to get the technique down.
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« Reply #151 on: June 11, 2012, 02:54:26 pm »

That depends on how much you weigh, and how easy it is for you to lift that much. If you don't have weights, your legs are just lifting your torso, arms, and head. The idea is to go low, but not touch the ground, if you want to maximize the work done. I personally use a pair of 5lb (2.25 kg) weights when I do lunges, but it's up to you. Whatever is somewhat uncomfortable to you.
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« Reply #152 on: June 11, 2012, 03:07:55 pm »

That depends on how much you weigh, and how easy it is for you to lift that much. If you don't have weights, your legs are just lifting your torso, arms, and head. The idea is to go low, but not touch the ground, if you want to maximize the work done. I personally use a pair of 5lb (2.25 kg) weights when I do lunges, but it's up to you. Whatever is somewhat uncomfortable to you.

I've always been a heavy, dense core so lunges are rather effective for me. I've got a bit of mass concentrated above the legs. But yes, I should've mentioned that. If you're a toothpick, you're probably not going to be working very hard in these. While if you're overweight, it will probably be hell.
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« Reply #153 on: June 11, 2012, 04:40:11 pm »

That depends on how much you weigh, and how easy it is for you to lift that much. If you don't have weights, your legs are just lifting your torso, arms, and head. The idea is to go low, but not touch the ground, if you want to maximize the work done. I personally use a pair of 5lb (2.25 kg) weights when I do lunges, but it's up to you. Whatever is somewhat uncomfortable to you.

I've always been a heavy, dense core so lunges are rather effective for me. I've got a bit of mass concentrated above the legs. But yes, I should've mentioned that. If you're a toothpick, you're probably not going to be working very hard in these. While if you're overweight, it will probably be hell.
If I was a toothpick I wouldn't be training like a masochist  :P
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« Reply #154 on: June 11, 2012, 08:48:04 pm »

That depends on how much you weigh, and how easy it is for you to lift that much. If you don't have weights, your legs are just lifting your torso, arms, and head. The idea is to go low, but not touch the ground, if you want to maximize the work done. I personally use a pair of 5lb (2.25 kg) weights when I do lunges, but it's up to you. Whatever is somewhat uncomfortable to you.

I've always been a heavy, dense core so lunges are rather effective for me. I've got a bit of mass concentrated above the legs. But yes, I should've mentioned that. If you're a toothpick, you're probably not going to be working very hard in these. While if you're overweight, it will probably be hell.
If I was a toothpick I wouldn't be training like a masochist  :P
But that's why I am training like a masochist.  :P
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« Reply #155 on: June 11, 2012, 09:30:23 pm »

Yeah, me too actually. Tired of not being able to do a pushup. :P

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« Reply #156 on: June 12, 2012, 12:13:27 am »

My problem is more that I can do a ridiculous number of pushups because I don't weigh very much. I'm sure I could do 300 at a stretch. On the other hand, I can bench press... the bar plus 20 pounds sometimes. Woo!
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« Reply #157 on: June 12, 2012, 01:11:15 am »

I can't bench much, but I can still break three boards at a go, and can horizontal leg press 500+ lbs about 40 times. Unfortunately, I'm not very fast anymore because of my bum knee, but I can still kick just fine. I'll need to lose about 50-70 lbs to get back into doing anything fancy, like a butterfly kick, or the like.
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« Reply #158 on: June 12, 2012, 05:14:15 am »

So I started doing Lying triceps extensions. It's been going well enough, BUT, when I do them, once I get past 5-10 reps or so my elbow kinda stings. It's not too bad, and it's not preventing me from actually doing the exercise, but it hurts enough to make me think I MAY be doing something wrong and inadvertently injuring my elbow. Should I start with a smaller weight, and work back up to my current weight, (about 16 pounds per dumbell if I recall, the smaller ones are just tiny plastic ones, like, 3 pounds each or somethin) or is elbow pain expected?

Which way do your hands point when doing the exercise? The wiki picture of dumbbells shows a neutral grip, which seems right. If you're using a pronated grip or twisting the direction around when doing the exercise, you might be stressing your elbow a bit. Here is a video of Rippetoe showing the LTE. He recommends an EZ curl bar for the job, because he likes barbells, but dumbbells should work just as well. But listen to what he says about the grip position, that might be your problem.

So I have been drinking 4-5 cups of milk a day, which at 12 grams of sugar puts me over the daily recomended intake of sugar. Now I know that is bad, but Men's fitness says milk helps build muscle (which really only reinforces my habit), so I was wondering if you think that makes up for the increased sugar intake?

The reason milk is recommended for muscle building is because muscle building requires energy. When strength/muscle training there are in general two types of dietary programs you can undertake: Bulking and cutting. When bulking you eat in a large excess of "normal" maintainance and in cutting you eat in a slight deficit. So when bulking you put on a lot of muscle, but invariably also some fat, which you then get rid of later when cutting. The reason it's done this way is because it's close to impossible to gain muscle without flooding your body with energy and proteins.

Milk is recommended for bulking, but not because it's a magical substance. It's recomended because it's cheap, easy and fool-proof. No matter how bad your diet is to begin with, telling you to drink X liters of milk a day is an ensured way of getting you a lot of calories and protein. You could, in theory, just "eat more". But that concept is a lot harder to quantify, and if you don't want to count calories and whatnot you're likely not going to get it right.

There's nothing wrong with going above the recommended sugar level. If you're seriously trying to put on muscle, you should be going above the "recommended" dosage for just about any nutrient. The daily recommended intake of sugar is for the mildly active general person. The moment you decide you want to build muscle, your requirement is going to exceed that of the average mildly active general person.

Of course, this is assuming you're doing enough exercise to warrant the extra energy. Pushups and sit-ups aren't that tough on the body, and you should not try to seriously bulk unless you do serious exercise (like marathoning or weight liftig).

I guess the final take-away TL;DR is that: No, going above the recommendation is not going to screw you over. If it does, it's likely because of the rest of your diet, not the milk. And if it does screw you up it's going to be in that you put on a bit more fat than necessary, not that you spontaneously develop diabetes.

Also does anyone know of any good leg exercies, that don't take too long? IE, not running/walking.

Squats! Squats! Deadlifts! Deadlifts! :D :D

That depends on how much you weigh, and how easy it is for you to lift that much. If you don't have weights, your legs are just lifting your torso, arms, and head. The idea is to go low, but not touch the ground, if you want to maximize the work done. I personally use a pair of 5lb (2.25 kg) weights when I do lunges, but it's up to you. Whatever is somewhat uncomfortable to you.

I've always been a heavy, dense core so lunges are rather effective for me. I've got a bit of mass concentrated above the legs. But yes, I should've mentioned that. If you're a toothpick, you're probably not going to be working very hard in these. While if you're overweight, it will probably be hell.
If I was a toothpick I wouldn't be training like a masochist  :P
But that's why I am training like a masochist.  :P

I used to be a toothpick. Now I aint one no more. 8) Gone from ~70 kg to ~85 kg in a year because of Rippetoe. :D
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« Reply #159 on: June 12, 2012, 05:25:56 am »

So I have been drinking 4-5 cups of milk a day, which at 12 grams of sugar puts me over the daily recomended intake of sugar. Now I know that is bad, but Men's fitness says milk helps build muscle (which really only reinforces my habit), so I was wondering if you think that makes up for the increased sugar intake?

Unless you are underweight I wouldn't be trying to drink crazy amounts of milk. There are way better protein sources that don't come with a bunch of carbs, like eggs, lean meat, canned tuna etc.
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« Reply #160 on: June 12, 2012, 10:35:30 am »

You need to do exercise to convert all that extra nutrition to muscle. The idea isn't just to get more protein and whatnot, though. You basically need the same stuff, but proportionally more. During the most insane training months I've had, I eat upwards of 4,000 calories a day. During my resting period after each season, I only eat about 2,000. (If that.) The difference being that during the hard months I run 70+ miles in a week, and this week (a resting week) I've run about 10.


I used to be a toothpick. Now I aint one no more. 8) Gone from ~70 kg to ~85 kg in a year because of Rippetoe. :D
What is Rippetoe?

PS: If 70 is a toothpick, I've no idea what 54 is.
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« Reply #161 on: June 12, 2012, 10:56:00 am »



His name is Rippetoe. Mark Rippetoe. And he's the author of that book I've been advertising the entire thread, Starting Strength.  ;D
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« Reply #162 on: June 12, 2012, 11:58:25 am »

Ok, what If I'm not devouting time to running and or wieght lifting. Basically what I've been doing is every hours, for the last couple of weeks, I've been doing sit upts and pushups, until I cannot do anymore. I do that for 2 days, and then switch to a day of resting. I switched form situps to double leg drops after a while, becuase the situps were killing my back. 

See I suppose I could do marathon running or wieght lifting, but I don't have the enduraance to accomplish the former nor the muscle mass to seriously do the latter. I don't know about push ups not being that hard, because following my shecdule I must be doing like ~70 a day, and my arms just feel like jeely the next day. Same thing with the situps, did more of those so I have no hard estimate, but abdominal muscles also felt very sore. Now with the lunges, which hurt like hell by the way, I will likley be sore all over.

See I haven't worked out outside of gym class a day in my last besides these last few weeks, so I have very little muscle mass, despite wieghing 84 kg. All the wieght diffrence being fat. Also asmatic, so aerobic exercise would be a bitch.
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« Reply #163 on: June 12, 2012, 07:57:45 pm »

See I suppose I could do marathon running or wieght lifting, but I don't have the enduraance to accomplish the former nor the muscle mass to seriously do the latter.
That's like saying you're too poor to get a job. How do you think endurance or muscle mass are acquired to begin with?
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« Reply #164 on: June 12, 2012, 08:14:28 pm »

You need to do exercise to convert all that extra nutrition to muscle. The idea isn't just to get more protein and whatnot, though. You basically need the same stuff, but proportionally more. During the most insane training months I've had, I eat upwards of 4,000 calories a day. During my resting period after each season, I only eat about 2,000. (If that.) The difference being that during the hard months I run 70+ miles in a week, and this week (a resting week) I've run about 10.


I used to be a toothpick. Now I aint one no more. 8) Gone from ~70 kg to ~85 kg in a year because of Rippetoe. :D
What is Rippetoe?

PS: If 70 is a toothpick, I've no idea what 54 is.
I used to be a toothpick. Before I got married, I weighed 109lb/49kg. Then, I got married, stopped working out, stopped training, and stopped drinking. Now, I'm 215lb/98kg. My own personal perfect weight is 155lb/71kg.
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