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Author Topic: Scared to death and ice.  (Read 2544 times)

Virodhi

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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 07:12:36 am »
If the conditions could be reproduced (and the ghosts made to move), it could make for an interesting "creeping death" scenario. Ghosts show up, wander around, and leave bitterly cold areas in their wake, killing critters and crops. Eventually, if you don't pacify them, things could get enough out of control that the fortress simply becomes uninhabitable because of the cold.
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 07:47:38 am »
Or they cause frost bite on wet dwarfs.
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 08:57:27 am »
Well, in folklore ghosts are sometimes accompanied by cold wherever they go so that seems consistent, but who could have thought that Toady will put that in game.
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 01:15:50 pm »
Maybe these ghosts have so much simulated anger that they're starting to feel it and affect the world. If so, then GG.
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 03:33:16 pm »
Quote from: Di on November 06, 2011, 08:57:27 am
Well, in folklore ghosts are sometimes accompanied by cold wherever they go so that seems consistent, but who could have thought that Toady will put that in game.

Toady thinks of everything!

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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 03:43:03 pm »
Quote from: Di on November 06, 2011, 08:57:27 am
Well, in folklore ghosts are sometimes accompanied by cold wherever they go so that seems consistent, but who could have thought that Toady will put that in game.

Well, he did account for dwarfs walking around with their guts hanging out...
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2011, 03:51:03 pm »
Quote from: proxn_punkd on November 06, 2011, 03:43:03 pm
Quote from: Di on November 06, 2011, 08:57:27 am
Well, in folklore ghosts are sometimes accompanied by cold wherever they go so that seems consistent, but who could have thought that Toady will put that in game.

Well, he did account for dwarfs walking around with their guts hanging out...
You can even see the little ~s dragging along behind them.

To test for ghost coldness, you could make a set of pools, then drown dwarves in them at various stages of happiness. If a dwarf's ghost appears (probably near its body), check if the water gets frozen. Maybe only very angry ghosts will do such a thing.
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2011, 04:00:01 pm »
I have 2 completely stationery ghosts, I'll post the results very soon.
P.S: I'll use DFliquids.
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2011, 04:13:42 pm »
Tests on my "energetic" ghost: Temperature is normal, the same as the rest of the fort, 10015U.
Tests on the sadisc ghost : temperature is normal, at 10015U
My previous measurement was made right after the attack, and it was between 9936U and 9986U, the last one in the tile where the ghost is standing.
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2011, 04:20:55 pm »
That's odd... has the temperature of the frozen area changed? It could be that the ghosts only affect the temperature of the world around them when they attack someone. It would make sense too, because if they were running around changing the temperature of everything as they go it would slaughter your FPS.

What tool are you using to measure the temperature, by the way?
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 04:43:10 pm »
DFhack's probe
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2011, 04:50:39 pm »
Another attack, this time paralization, no temp changes, but I took about 10 secs to measure.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2011, 05:08:41 pm by peskyninja »
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2011, 05:17:45 pm »
It might be only scaring-to-death that causes cold temperatures, then...
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2011, 05:30:05 pm »
Quote from: DrKillPatient on November 06, 2011, 05:17:45 pm
It might be only scaring-to-death that causes cold temperatures, then...

You can say that the ghost made him freeze in terror  8)
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Re: Scared to death and ice.
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2011, 05:46:55 pm »
*sigh*
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Burn the land and boil the sea. You can't take the sky from me

Thou son of a b*tch wilt not ever make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, f**k thy mother.
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