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[Paul]

Dropping the darts and giving them orc spears actually makes them quite effective, even with the paper armor.

They'll charge in and trample people, then surround them and stab them to death with the spears. They can actually reach enemies using them, instead of riding up and attempting to hit something with their butcher knives and being killed because they couldn't reach far enough.

Orc snagas get spears. Warg riders, after being dropped on their head repeatedly, decided that short rusty knives and lawn darts would obviously prove more effective and dropped all their good weapons.

[Blaze]

Are throwing darts used ANYWHERE in the story aside from tavern games? I mean, you'd think even the most dunderheaded orc would figure out that throwing big sharp stick > throwing small sharp stick. Why not javelins instead?

Of course, we can always remedy the situation using a troop editor.

[Dakk]

Will it mess up my save if I used troop editor?

[Blaze]

If it's anything like in Warband, troops stats and item numbers are cached along with or inside the save. So unless there's a rebuild cache feature in there, you'll need to start a new game for any changes to take effect.

[Paul]

The only way to modify troops in a save is to have a way of editing them built into the module (which isn't actually all that hard, all you need is to have the conversation where it shows you the troop stats set the player troop global to the troop your'e talking to, letting you import/export the troop - then just have a thing setting it back to the player when you exit the conversation).

You could set up a convo to change troop equipment in a similar fashion, either by trading with the player or trading between the troop and some other troop you use as item storage.

It'd be a pain in the ass to do without the module system source though. I could do it, but it wouldn't be worth the effort for something you can fix and just start a new game for

[Flare]

And then those wargs ride out and are killed or wounded.

Battle an hour later.

Hey, all those wargs are back, in the thick of health!

Ah, you're complaining of the wargs not dying when they get hit. To be honest, I don't see why you need to dismount the warg riders, just tell them to hold fire and they'll charge right into the infantry.

Flare imagine ordering a pizza and getting all the ingridients cold and some instructions on how to mix them.

Very bad analogy, too many ways to interpret.

If it's anything like in Warband, troops stats and item numbers are cached along with or inside the save. So unless there's a rebuild cache feature in there, you'll need to start a new game for any changes to take effect.

Yeah, you'll have to restart.

[Vactor]

Reducing the amount of ammo a warg rider carries and giving them a short spear instead of a dagger would go a long ways towards improving the way fights play out.  The idea would be to have them deplete their ammo as they close the gap, and then charge into the enemy.  Having this work out so that it is timed correctly to give cover to advancing infantry could be done by tinkering with the ammo amount/ranged weapon speed.

[Eagle_eye]

I crash on start with "failed to get shader for windy_flora" :\

[Ivefan]

To be honest, I don't see why you need to dismount the warg riders, just tell them to hold fire and they'll charge right into the infantry.

Because if the rider dont die you wont have any losses because you get the wargs back.

[KatalDT]

I crash on start with "failed to get shader for windy_flora" :\

Are you starting with the launcher provided (in the mod folder)? I had that error too at first. Also, are you using Steam or the downloaded enhanced version?

[Dakk]

To be honest, I don't see why you need to dismount the warg riders, just tell them to hold fire and they'll charge right into the infantry.

Because if the rider dont die you wont have any losses because you get the wargs back.

This + even if I tell the riders to hold their fire, they have a tendency of stopping right besides the enemy and trying to hit them with their puny knives which do a glorious 0 damage against elven armor, rather then actualy charging them. Dismounted wargs prefer to just to charge into the enemy ranks and knock them over, which is much better.

@Eagle: You need the M&B enhanced version for this mod, you can easily find through google. Also, don't use the Iron launcher as the manual tells you too. I tried using it and it just caused problems, just manualy copy the files as the manual instructs you, I was having the same problem before I did this.

[Duuvian]

I'm not sure if anyone saw this yet, but here is the RCM beta version 1 for TLD.

http://www.wupload.com/file/2526575242/MEBCM-Beta1.rar

Add that to this max battlesize changer and set it to 200-300 maybe (300 works for me if I turn down corpses to 40 in options; runs a little slow but the fights are cool):

http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=107

and good side will be having a tough time of it.

[Rakonas]

And then those wargs ride out and are killed or wounded.

Battle an hour later.

Hey, all those wargs are back, in the thick of health!

Ah, you're complaining of the wargs not dying when they get hit. To be honest, I don't see why you need to dismount the warg riders, just tell them to hold fire and they'll charge right into the infantry.

No, it's simply the fact that warg riders shouldn't be complete shit, and it makes zero sense for a warg without a rider to be 5 times as useful as a warg with a rider.

[darkflagrance]

Who wants to bet that the response to the feedback that dismounted wargs are better than mounted wargs will be to...nerf dismounted wargs? 

[Ivefan]

Who wants to bet that the response to the feedback that dismounted wargs are better than mounted wargs will be to...nerf dismounted wargs? 

Don't see how. only been on the receiving side and they haven't been many but they barely hurt. But they disrupted ranks and drew fire from more important targets allowing more orcs to reach my people.