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[RedKing]

That, or elves are just too tasty to turn down.

But yeah, I think that's working as designed. Can't remember a game where I've captured elves either.

I fixed the assault problem by turning the number of corpses down from Unlimited to 40. Makes sense....I think it was crashing when the 2nd or 3rd wave of reinforcements would spawn in, and crashed because it was already having to remember and draw a couple hundred corpses.

So my Gondorian knight was able to head north and join Celeborn and about 400 Lothlorien elves in stomping a mudhole in Dol Guldur's northern outpost. Note: if you're ever assaulting or defending with elves....play it out rather than autocombat. Elves are a holy terror in actual combat. I think it went something like 4 losses for me, 38 for the elves, 379 for the orcs. And that was with us on attack.

[Blaze]

Oh hey I found a new trait: Berserker: It gives +2 strength and you can press H to restore some of your health in battle.

Turns out you get it by fighting naked a lot :p, I ended up getting it due to being having sold my one piece of starting armor to buy a horse.

[Dakk]

Elves are pretty darn absurd and orcs have overall bad equipment and stats. I can't fight patrols of 40 elves with my mixed troop of 70 consisting of uruks and orc riders, at least not without heavy losses. They're not impossible to beat if you use riders to draw most of the arrows while infantry gets up close, but they're also VERY strong on melee.
An elven soldier did over 100 damage to me in a single swing, with a one handed sword. Ok, so I had no body armor, but holy hell.

[Blaze]

Elven armor is so good it's ridiculous, have you seen the stats on the Rivendell Leader Armor? And their regular warhorses boast better stats than Gondor's special reward horse.

In any case, has anyone every found a chest or some way to store items?

Also, it turns out listening to rumors is now actually useful to some degree.

[Dsarker]

So Uruks can get mounts with the Huge Warg. Only problem is that they have to rely on Dunlendings for lances.


Anyway, armoured trolls do lethal damage. Good to know.

[Vactor]

Elven armor is so good it's ridiculous, have you seen the stats on the Rivendell Leader Armor? And their regular warhorses boast better stats than Gondor's special reward horse.

In any case, has anyone every found a chest or some way to store items?

Also, it turns out listening to rumors is now actually useful to some degree.

I have noticed there is an open-able chest near Galadriel, haven't tried to leave anything there though.

[Blaze]

Really? I've been the one in Moria. I'll have to move it over then.

Also, anyone found out what:

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The Book of Mard-something that you find in Moria does? And whether Amon Hen does anything.

[Dakk]

Mordor haves the best Uruk armors, but barely any uruks. Isengard has the msot uruks, but their armor is slightly worse. And some elven units have more armor then high grade dwarf units, while being excellent bowmen and strong weapons combined with alot of power strike skill and ironflesh.

I get the feeling the creator of this marvelous mod not only REEEEALLY wants to good side to win, but also loves elves A LOT.

[Ivefan]

Mordor haves the best Uruk armors, but barely any uruks. Isengard has the msot uruks, but their armor is slightly worse. And some elven units have more armor then high grade dwarf units, while being excellent bowmen and strong weapons combined with alot of power strike skill and ironflesh.

I get the feeling the creator of this marvelous mod not only REEEEALLY wants to good side to win, but also loves elves A LOT.

Hard to balance it with the right feeling due to how M&B works.
Orcs are crappy, but comes in mass, or should do if M&B could field everything at once but then you have the problem of crappy guys stunlocking you to death

[varnish]

To be fair, Elves from Middle-Earth are hardly meant to be the generic "tree loving hippies". Far from it, in fact. They should be pretty dangerous, but perhaps there should be less of them around.

[Rakonas]

To be fair, Elves from Middle-Earth are hardly meant to be the generic "tree loving hippies". Far from it, in fact. They should be pretty dangerous, but perhaps there should be less of them around.

It's more of an issue that the devs seem to hate the lore or something. When people point out that there are passages in the books that suggest that orc armor wasn't complete shit and elf armor wasn't plentiful they act like children. Personally I think the game could be fixed easily by just making armor less horribly unbalanced and unrealistic, while I personally still think elves should be very powerful skill-wise.

[varnish]

That's disappointing. In certain respects the mod is quite faithful, making it more so in the name of balance hardly seems like a bad thing.

[Dsarker]

We could, of course, make a Back To Realism patch (or whatever you want to call it) with those changes made, if only to change the gear.


Another change that might be made is the elves slowly getting less numerous as the game goes on, as they go into the west.

[Dakk]

But the thing, as much as the devs claim to be trying to make it faithful to the lore, there are many major things on it that are almost against what the book mentions. Uruks in the lore wear thick armor and are stronger then any man, while in the mod they just have a slightly better str stat and worse armor then most other heavy infantry units. Like you guys mentioned, elves in LoTR ARE extremely skillful and versatile fighters, but their numbers are constantly dwindling throughout middle earth during the war of the ring, while elves come en masse in TLD at any given point. Another thing is how weak ranger units and gondorians are compared to their LoTR counterparts.

Anyway, I just turn down the damage values from full to 1/2 when fighting elves to make it more fair, and I still lose a fair number of soldiers. I think the mod did a good job with orcs, making them numerous, rather disorganized and reckless, but

[Flare]

Eh, as far as I know, Tolkien often contradicts or is intentionally vague about what some of the actual situations are. I think they're just picking the side that's most easily implementable.