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[Protactinium]

In the first goblin ambush (happened at year 4), all three of my legendary herbalists died. Since I had a farm running by this time, I then decided that I never needed to gather plants again. It's year 11 of my fort right now, and I was right. So simply shifting your industries away from the surface world helps prevent dwarf death to surface hazard. 

Seriously, it's a valid form of keeping your dwarves alive. Risk mitigation. You'll never be in trouble if you don't expose yourself in the first place.

[Sutremaine]

It's a good trick, but it seems like it would require a lot of cludging around with burrows. Easier to just let the fellow die. Dwarfier to build a wall around the whole map.

It should be pretty simple if your 'fortress' burrow is the whole map less the unsafe outdoor areas. The tiles for the hideyholes would be selected along with the rest of the map, and I assume that one burrow tile would be as good as another.

An extra security measure would be a U-bend in the tunnel in, so that the hatch is over a down stair. Right now, building destroyers can't do their thing on a tile right above their heads.

[jaxler]

fuck this can someone strike down this page

[Rafal99]

Why? There is a valid discussion going on.

[Loud Whispers]

In the first goblin ambush (happened at year 4), all three of my legendary herbalists died. Since I had a farm running by this time, I then decided that I never needed to gather plants again. It's year 11 of my fort right now, and I was right. So simply shifting your industries away from the surface world helps prevent dwarf death to surface hazard. 

Seriously, it's a valid form of keeping your dwarves alive. Risk mitigation. You'll never be in trouble if you don't expose yourself in the first place.

Loud whispers has become enRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGED

Y NO FARM FOR PLANTS?!!!!!! Geez, pro above ground tips, build farm. Dig down for storage/put stockpiles above ground if you only ever want to dig to quarry/mine. Build a wall around your fortress, complete surround with no entrances save above, or if a dwarf de-constructs a wall. Once you have defences set up/houses built, build a gate house to easily let in traders and migrants. In savage biomes/evil, marksdwarves should be your top priority, and militia dwarves should at least have 1-5 marksdwarves in them. This is important in the beginning unless you really enjoy job spam and vultures, buzzards... Draltha's.......

And then....


You build.
Current above ground fort population - 130+, can't remember how many years it's been running now.

EVERYONE is in the military and is in training.

[tolkafox]

I walled my fort away from the outside world once. It was boring.

Now I intentionally put my dwarves in harms way for my sole amusement allow my dwarves the pleasure of surface company. Besides, trees are on the surface. I can't not cut down surface trees, if I didn't the elves would win.

Yes, an archway that goes up and then down into the ground positions the hatchcover to not be destroyed and protects the dwarf entirely. I don't choose that method because I don't view it as Fun. :p You can also wall or channel the entire map edge forcing anything that enters the map to go through your small trap riddled pathway....but that isn't Fun either. Besides, if you protected all of your population from attack, how would the stupid ones die?

Jaxler, if you don't like this thread then don't read it. You can also lock it. Or you can let us continue our discussion. Word.

[Loud Whispers]

I walled my fort away from the outside world once. It was boring.

Now I intentionally put my dwarves in harms way for my sole amusement allow my dwarves the pleasure of surface company. Besides, trees are on the surface. I can't not cut down surface trees, if I didn't the elves would win.

Yes, an archway that goes up and then down into the ground positions the hatchcover to not be destroyed and protects the dwarf entirely. I don't choose that method because I don't view it as Fun. :p You can also wall or channel the entire map edge forcing anything that enters the map to go through your small trap riddled pathway....but that isn't Fun either. Besides, if you protected all of your population from attack, how would the stupid ones die?

Jaxler, if you don't like this thread then don't read it. You can also lock it. Or you can let us continue our discussion. Word.

A total above ground fort is a fort with no underground structures, beyond quarries/mega projects/pipes. A curtain wall is a pretty much requirement in savage and evil biomes, or where goblin visitors are frequent... Otherwise..... OH GOD THE CORPSES EVERYWHERE.

And I don't like underground fortresses, no !!FUN!!

[Hitty40]

You seem to be under the illusion that we give a shit about what happens to dwarves who are too dumb to live.

[tolkafox]

Oh...I added basements in my above ground houses for personalized food/drink storage. It just seemed fitting for me that they had basements for storage.

The last city I did got invaded by alligators and honey badgers halfway through completion. I'm still trying to figure out how two wild animals were on the map at the same time, I don't pay much attention to them unless they're hostile but I could have sworn only one species was allowed on a map at a time.

[Loud Whispers]

Oh...I added basements in my above ground houses for personalized food/drink storage. It just seemed fitting for me that they had basements for storage.

The last city I did got invaded by alligators and honey badgers halfway through completion. I'm still trying to figure out how two wild animals were on the map at the same time, I don't pay much attention to them unless they're hostile but I could have sworn only one species was allowed on a map at a time.

Nope, loadsa critters can migrate onto your map at a time. Cue buzzard and vultures everywhere!

[Sutremaine]

Y NO FARM FOR PLANTS?!!!!!!

Legendary plant gatherers always pull up 4 or 5 plants per successful attempt. Hey, it matters to me.

I do believe I have all the plants on the map inside my walls anyway -- it's mostly a mountain map and the soil below the surface has been dug out for extra grazing space. Well, there are a couple of plants outside the walls where the brook is diverted into the murky pools (hot biome), but ehh.

[Protactinium]

In the first goblin ambush (happened at year 4), all three of my legendary herbalists died. Since I had a farm running by this time, I then decided that I never needed to gather plants again. It's year 11 of my fort right now, and I was right. So simply shifting your industries away from the surface world helps prevent dwarf death to surface hazard. 

Seriously, it's a valid form of keeping your dwarves alive. Risk mitigation. You'll never be in trouble if you don't expose yourself in the first place.

Loud whispers has become enRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGED

Y NO FARM FOR PLANTS?!!!!!! Geez, pro above ground tips, build farm. Dig down for storage/put stockpiles above ground if you only ever want to dig to quarry/mine. Build a wall around your fortress, complete surround with no entrances save above, or if a dwarf de-constructs a wall. Once you have defences set up/houses built, build a gate house to easily let in traders and migrants. In savage biomes/evil, marksdwarves should be your top priority, and militia dwarves should at least have 1-5 marksdwarves in them. This is important in the beginning unless you really enjoy job spam and vultures, buzzards... Draltha's.......

And then....


You build.
Current above ground fort population - 130+, can't remember how many years it's been running now.

EVERYONE is in the military and is in training.

Why would I do any of that if I can just grab some plants to start off with (to get seeds, while the embark points are spent somewhere else), and then have my above-ground farm underground, where I've channeled light to come in from the surface?

I only have a wall around the very entrance staircase on the surface. I don't need to expose myself to the surface besides fighting off sieges before they get to my staircase.

[tolkafox]

Why would I do any of that if I can just grab some plants to start off with (to get seeds, while the embark points are spent somewhere else), and then have my above-ground farm underground, where I've channeled light to come in from the surface?

I only have a wall around the very entrance staircase on the surface. I don't need to expose myself to the surface besides fighting off sieges before they get to my staircase.

Besides, if you protected all of your population from attack, how would the stupid ones die?

The measure of a dwarf's value is how fast they can run to/from a goblin.

[JDF117]

Oh...I added basements in my above ground houses for personalized food/drink storage. It just seemed fitting for me that they had basements for storage.

The last city I did got invaded by alligators and honey badgers halfway through completion. I'm still trying to figure out how two wild animals were on the map at the same time, I don't pay much attention to them unless they're hostile but I could have sworn only one species was allowed on a map at a time.

Nope, loadsa critters can migrate onto your map at a time. Cue buzzard and vultures everywhere!

  I cannot express in words my utter loathing of vulture packs.

[Urist Imiknorris]

I can!

Or rather, Necro can.