Let's just start it fresh without any quote tags. Here we go. (Please note that this was originally posted in the Egypt and Libya thread, and therefore comments about being off topic relate to where it was.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1
I knew them Canadians can't be trusted!
@Kogan Lolokham:
*I didn't dismiss your argument, I just pointed out that Churchill was not American. I don't actually feel like providing the links about American Isolationism, or go into an argument about how the Monroe doctrine is an example of early American Imperialism (where providing documentation of American foreign policy leading up to the end of World War 2 would lead) as this expands this already way off topic discussion into new areas that we don't even need to go. I disagree with your view of my statements being emotional pleas, since they aren't emotional to me, but fact. People scream for American Heads. I've watched from a window as a mob of people moved to the gates of the Naval Base in Bahrain, where "Fuk USA Yankee Go Home" was the tamest thing they carried around. That's not the one that sticks out in my mind, though I get a sense of sick humor from the misspelled word. What I recall strongest is being confronted in Dubai airport by someone who just didn't like Americans. Why? I assume because I was sitting like an American, seeing as I didn't buy anything, talk to anyone, or do anything except walk down that long damn hall there and sit down against the wall. Do I care what your emotional response to this is? No. I state clearly and unequivocally that I don't like this. I explained what I didn't like about it, and I also state that regardless of America's actions causing this sort of hatred Globally, I don't think America should release their duty to someone who can't do at least as good of a job. If you want to read that as some kind of emotional play, go ahead. I don't see how me mentioning the exact threat affects the ability of people to view it impartially, but I'll edit it just for you.
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Now, addressing that ONE issue, the one you thought I ignored, from asterisk to asterisk, took 313 words. Not ONE involved Egypt or Libya. Was it worth it? I don't think so.
If you wish to take this to private messages or E-mails, I will happily provide all the information I would normally provide. Alternatively, bring this to a place where it is on topic. Going on with even a quarter of what I want to say demonstrating where my information comes from will bloat my posts well past their already large size, which is even more disrespectful to the topic than I am currently being. You have just yourself demonstrated that I do indeed have sources for my information, as you were, probably with very little effort, capable of coming up with a whole set of data which demonstrates what I was saying regarding to the UN peacekeeping force and our role in them. Of course that did happen to be one of the weak points in my data, because countries have been shouldering more and more of the burden as time has gone on.
And no, whomever responds must be a troll or US-hater. Whomever responds with insignificant details like "Oh, you are forgetting about the British aircraft in the battle!" would be the troll and should find something better to do with their time then try to argue that I am forgetting something when it doesn't affect the whole. You arguing that the UN figures are marginal, for example, does not count as this. It is perfectly valid. However, I will agree that that as the US numbers have been decreasing recently, the hatred generated that we are now facing occurred when this was not true. Furthermore, I would argue that while GNP is a nice way to compare information, it isn't the only way. Land Area would also be a way to compare this, but so too could population and Population density. The reality is that the distribution will never be fair, but when a lot of bad press is expressed about UN action, it's always a US troop who is the face because we are associated quite frequently with interventionist actions. If US forces aren't in the area, it is generally ignored. UN Peacekeepers are far from the saints that we wish they were
Please quote me speaking for my country. What I say is my own opinion, and (I hope) this opinion is not affected by any government`s propaganda.
Forgive me for accidentally giving the impression I thought your head was contained by a single nation. No, I was implying here that by the arguments you have been using against others, people can accuse you of attempting to speak for the ENTIRE WORLD.
By the way, what are your sources? Where do you get your information?
Include your sources, and then add in archeological evidence, geological evidence, psychological studies and research, propaganda analysis and crosschecking, first hand reports, unclassified documents, personal research, and other places that I cannot recall off the top of my head. I don't restrict myself to things that support my personal views. Even Fox News can be an accurate source of information if you are willing to go the extra mile to do a little fact checking of your own. Exact sources requires exact information of the exact piece of data that I am referencing, and sometimes I don't even remember exactly which book I read it in. I am quick to concede any information I cannot re-verify with at least 30 seconds of searching online and finding at least two sources that are not Wikipedia or referencing it.
Germany, bro?
Nope. Don`t rely on username, it has no sense.
You really disgust me. You claim you hate patriotic sentiments, and the truth is you hate anyone expressing agreement with the AMERICAN government. Any other government you can get along fine with. I could probably express agreement with a genocidal government and you wouldn't think twice, but someone dares to agree with an action the American Government has taken and suddenly they are all nationalistic and patriotic and marching blindly and not able to think for theirselves and deserving of the crap you put out. Not once do you point out an example of what a country SHOULD be doing. You feel free to insult another government's actions as criminal, comparing them to real criminals who have deliberately executed civilians not as an accident, but BECAUSE THEY CAN, and you hide your own nation and insult everyone's intellegence here by pretending you aren't and that it's a misunderstanding. Why, are you so attached to your own nation, so filled with patriotic furver, that you can't stand it's own mistakes being viewed under a microscope? You continue to fail to identify any mistakes that aren't American, and continue to insist your intentions are pure as the snow and that you can separateYou nations from people. Prove it. State your nation if you feel no responsibility for what they have done in your name. Start finding positive examples of country actions. Find other mistakes besides those of America. You held Libya up as a good nation, for goodness sakes! Libya. Maybe you weren't joking, and maybe my blinders are on in this and that really is you holding up an example of what a nation should be. If so, I pray you never end up in power, because that is not what I want in this world. Diversity yes, tons of Libyas, HELL NO.
I was going to reply with your comment about Operation Dropshot with a quote of your comment on operation Dropshot, but I see people have already dealt with that issue. Of course I don't think you have the capability to study anything regarding Nuclear war or how and why it evolved the way that it did, so it's all a moot point. The US is evil for daring to make plans that could kill millions of potential weapon makers. Oh, that's right, you think they are all innocent. Okay, so the US is evil for planning to use the items that Magically appeared under their control against a nation that also had those magically given items against people who wouldn't have anything to do with a war against the united states even if the United States was at war with the nation they are part of. Very evil indeed.
Okay, to be fair, very few people are actually involved in the fabrication of a Nuclear bomb. Only some miners, some truckers, some refinery/foundry workers, some scientists, and some industrial fabricators. Couldn't be more than one hundred thousand, tops. Probably only around fifty thousand or so. Significantly less when you take the raw materials and transport out of the equation.
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