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[Montague]

Yeah, they must be legal, because the justice system gets very upset when your Liberals kill them and charge them with murder, unlike with corporate mercenaries and CCS goons which are perfectly legal to kill.

Just not sure if they are actual police or not, because they have no body armor, use non-police-y M-16s and tend to be younger, less skilled but with better stats then regular cops. They also entirely replace regular police/ SWAT teams during Massive Conservative Responses, even though they tend to be squishier and easier to kill then regular SWAT teams.

They seem akin to the Nazi SS, compared to the regular conservative security forces.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

This is just my view, not a "canon" interpretation, but I see the Death Squads as a kind of weird pseudo-vigilante wing coordinated with the police and with official sanction, but not fully integrated. Young, angry, and no respect for human life, their aim isn't preserving the peace so much as the thrill of killing you openly and without punishment from society. They're first on the scene because they want to be, and the police let them chase you around without hindrance because the police are a little more sane and would rather a bunch of hot-headed murderers risk their lives trying to hunt you down than to try to get in their way and possibly get hurt themselves.

[Man of Paper]

That's what I think of them. Like a PMC as opposed to a national military (PMC being the DS, Military being the police).

I think there should be some option or random event that lets you decide if your squad raids the courtroom. Just because I want to imagine a bunch of gun-toting mutants kicking in the courtroom doors with their stumpy legs and going postal on the judicial system right before the judge sentences the defendant to death.

For justice.

[Montague]

This is just my view, not a "canon" interpretation, but I see the Death Squads as a kind of weird pseudo-vigilante wing coordinated with the police and with official sanction, but not fully integrated. Young, angry, and no respect for human life, their aim isn't preserving the peace so much as the thrill of killing you openly and without punishment from society. They're first on the scene because they want to be, and the police let them chase you around without hindrance because the police are a little more sane and would rather a bunch of hot-headed murderers risk their lives trying to hunt you down than to try to get in their way and possibly get hurt themselves.

This sounds about right to me. Basically a hastily assembled state-sponsored paramilitary thugs, given surplus m16s from the National Guard and whatever (presumably black) uniform they wear. I used to be wary and loathe them when I first played dystopia mode, but found out they're easier to deal with if you try to fight back. Started giving my brownie peddlers shotguns, because the Death Squad guys are definitely quicker then regular police or my Liberals for that matter and a liberal is more likely to hit with a shotgun then survive a pursuit.

In a related matter, I was pleasantly surprised to see how reasonable the firemen are. I had my Liberal Guardian site raided, with about 6 liberals long ago absolved of any crime there, I just gave up. For all their bravado with their sirens and loudspeakers blaring, they simply took my business materials, burned my printing press and left the rest of my safe house investments and my Liberal funds intact and they even let my liberals go free back to whatever I had them doing like nothing weird happened. Pretty sure they didn't confiscate their weapons either. Do they make arrests or destroy secret documents?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The Firemen destroy seditious speech. They don't particularly care about anything else; every second spent arresting you is one a socialist book store owner can smuggle away his communist propaganda and poison the minds of the American people.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

I think they do make arrests if there are known criminals present, but that's about it. They're pretty to the point about things.

[Montague]

I suppose that's true then, I'd figured them to be a lot more dangerous. You'd think they'd go after the guy that keeps selling me new printing presses.

On the subject what does attacking the fire station at C (and more liberally) accomplish? After my pleasant experiences with the Firemen in C+, by the time I got down the list and around to raiding them they'd all went back into the putting-out-fires business and I couldn't find enough conservatives there to justify shooting up the place. The labor issue, maybe? What with the firefighter unions and all?

For that matter, what about strolling in and shooting up conservatives at the Co-op, internet cafe, park or coffee stand?

[Jonathan S. Fox]

It is not politically constructive to shoot up any of the locations you've mentioned, including the fire department. Shooting up the latte stand and park are decent low-risk field tests for new combat teams though; they're so easy to leave from and have such a wide range of visitors that you can set up all sorts of encounters and live to escape.

[Necro910]

The Death Squads has to be at least semi-illegal, due to the whole "murder is a crime punishable by death" mess. Considering they come into existence when Police Regulation is at C+, it's probable that the Police are secretly violating the law they are told to uphold.

They come into existence when Police Regulation and Death Penalty are at C+. And that is why I think they are entirely legal in the Nightmare. Police are given the power to apply for Death Squad status, becoming judge, jury, and most importantly executioner, since they have so much power. After all, would the police lie about a criminal's intent? Of course not. Obviously allowing the summery execution of un-american socialist criminal scum on the spot helps society by reducing the cost of holding an expensive trial in the overly-liberal court system to that of a single M16 round.

Is it wrong that I yelled, "hoorah"? 

[Biag]

I guess even in C+ society there is still the will in the judicial system to at least go through the motions of a legitimate trial. The legal system is probably one of the most difficult institutions in the USA to change, or there is just not the political will to alter it much, besides republicans bringing up tort-reform ideas every once in while.

The judicial system is essentially impossible to change without an EXTREME amendment (a third of a rewrite, really) to the Constitution. This is because the judiciary's powers are protected by the Constitution, and the judiciary has the authority to rule laws and actions unconstitutional.

Of course, you can always pull an Andrew Jackson and ignore the Supreme Court completely, but that's a really good way to get yourself impeached if you are anyone but the forementioned Old Hickory.

[Servant Corps]

Actually, Andrew Jackson never actually ignored the Supreme Court (because the Supreme Court built in a loophole in its Decision that Jackson could then exploit without undermining the power of the Supreme Court), which only goes to show just how unlikely the Constitution is ever to be violated.

[Leafsnail]

I think there should be some option or random event that lets you decide if your squad raids the courtroom. Just because I want to imagine a bunch of gun-toting mutants kicking in the courtroom doors with their stumpy legs and going postal on the judicial system right before the judge sentences the defendant to death.

For justice.

That does sound fun, although likely to go horribly wrong in almost every case.

[Karlito]

Actually, Andrew Jackson never actually ignored the Supreme Court (because the Supreme Court built in a loophole in its Decision that Jackson could then exploit without undermining the power of the Supreme Court), which only goes to show just how unlikely the Constitution is ever to be violated.

Wow, every single history class has taught me wrong.

[Deon]

Actually, Andrew Jackson never actually ignored the Supreme Court (because the Supreme Court built in a loophole in its Decision that Jackson could then exploit without undermining the power of the Supreme Court), which only goes to show just how unlikely the Constitution is ever to be violated.

Wow, every single history class has taught me wrong.

That's what they exist for .