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[Andrew425]

Andrew:  What do you think Caz meant by answering the question that was directed at you?  Do you think was scummy of him?

I don't think that he thought the question was directed at him. He probably just assumed it was an open ended question like a lot of people have done this game

Whether or not it's scummy I don't know yet, he's been seeming to slip up lately. Maybe it was to draw attention to me or Remelle?

[Caz]

Idk, I try to scumhunt but then people ask why I'm not scumhunting, so I read all the posts and posted all the remarks that bothered me, adding comments so people could see where I was coming from... and now apparently I'm suspected more than ever before. o.O

Regards to the question, I didn't notice who it was being addressed to. Chalk it up to tiredness, been kind of busy these last few days. Will still be answering questions but I think my attempts at scumhunting are just making things more convoluted so I'll stop those.

[Remalle]

I'm sorry you don't like my reasons.  In fact, I'll add another one to the list right now, just for you: OMGUSing.

Personally, I only see an OMGUS as scummy when it is flagrant.  Doing with an FoS just seems... meh.
Further, he's been attacking you all day.  How is this an OMGUS?

I just thought sending a FoS my way after I reposted my reasons for voting him would count as an OMGUS.  The timing of his fingering me seemed suspicious to me.

I've covered the answer itself, but I missed the deeper bit- I asked the question to Andrew and Caz answered it!
Why is this relevant?  Sometimes scumbuddies get confused and answer questions for their teammates!

I'm... confused.  Do you mean to say that Super Scum Friends answer each others questions more often than townies do?  Why would that be, is there some sort of scum hivemind?

Caz, you claim that people only started accusing you of not scumhunting after you'd already done it.  Uh... no.  Then you say you didn't realize who the question was addressed to.  Toaster clearly put Andrew's name in front of his question, and yet when you quoted it, Andrew's name was gone, almost as if you removed it!  Finally you claim that you were tired when you wrote your answer, but my math says it was 11:30 a.m., your time, at the time.  Sure, it's nothing more than circumstancial, but I don't know anybody who gets tired at that time, no matter how busy they've been.  Also finally, you gave a bad excuse to stop scum hunting, or pretending to scumhunt in your case, you scummy scum with a heart of scum.  I still really suspect Andrew, but for now I'm going to unvote, and vote for Caz.

Also where the hell did Shoes and Drakon go.  I'm sure there are two very eager beginners waiting to replace them.

[Caz]

Finally you claim that you were tired when you wrote your answer, but my math says it was 11:30 a.m., your time, at the time.  Sure, it's nothing more than circumstancial, but I don't know anybody who gets tired at that time, no matter how busy they've been.

Didn't have time to sleep because of some stressful situations, sorry if that's too off the wall for ya.

[Shark]

Finally you claim that you were tired when you wrote your answer, but my math says it was 11:30 a.m., your time, at the time.  Sure, it's nothing more than circumstancial, but I don't know anybody who gets tired at that time, no matter how busy they've been.

Didn't have time to sleep because of some stressful situations, sorry if that's too off the wall for ya.

While that situation might be true, it doesn't give you an excuse to stop scumhunting. You're stopping because "and now apparently I'm suspected more than ever before. o.O "

You're scared of what the town thinks of you, so you're avoiding hunting. That is scummy as hell, town's purpose is to find the scum, not freak out and stop.

[Toaster]

In regards to the answering question for the wrong person deal, I accept Caz's answer that it was an honest mistake.  It was directed at Andrew right after a section directed at Caz, so I'm willing to chalk it up as an honest mistake.  I was more interested in his reaction to the question- if he freaked out, that would be very telling.  Instead, he gave a reasonable answer and moved on.


Remalle:

I've covered the answer itself, but I missed the deeper bit- I asked the question to Andrew and Caz answered it!
Why is this relevant?  Sometimes scumbuddies get confused and answer questions for their teammates!

I'm... confused.  Do you mean to say that Super Scum Friends answer each others questions more often than townies do?  Why would that be, is there some sort of scum hivemind?

In almost all cases, you should answer questions directed at you and not answer the others.  The asker wanted to know the answer coming from the target of the question- if they wanted your answer, they would have asked you.

Why it can be a scumtell:  Scumbuddies (especially those with less experience) associate themselves and have each other in their heads.  You may see scum acting for each other in this case.  Generally, if I see you doing that, I'm going to ask you about it.

Jim may have more info on the tell than I do.


Caz:  There is never a good reason to give up scum hunting.

[Jim Groovester]

Why it can be a scumtell:  Scumbuddies (especially those with less experience) associate themselves and have each other in their heads.  You may see scum acting for each other in this case.  Generally, if I see you doing that, I'm going to ask you about it.

Jim may have more info on the tell than I do.

Since scum have a scumchat they tend to talk a lot about what's going on in the game. So they'll share their thoughts, information, plans, and so on, but they'll also share ideas on how to defend themselves against attacks.

The beginner scum instinct is to try and keep their partner alive since they think they'll have a better chance at the game with more people on the team (this isn't really correct but it's not in the scope of this explanation to explain why). So if they see their partner getting attacked, or even if their partner gets asked a question they can answer because of the sharing of ideas that goes on in scumchat, scum may go and answer that question.

Answering another player's questions establishes that one player is interested in the well-being of another player, and the only reasonable explanation for why that's the case is because they are on a team.

[ShoesandHats]

Wait, if your a scum IC, can you tell people false information? Can there even be a scum IC? Just wondering. Could be useful information fo' scumhunting.

[Jim Groovester]

No, we are honor bound to provide genuine advice.

Is this all you're going to do? You're not going to succeed at the game if this is the effort you're going to put into it.

[Caz]

You're scared of what the town thinks of you, so you're avoiding hunting. That is scummy as hell, town's purpose is to find the scum, not freak out and stop.

Not scared, just tired of it. All my attempts to help seem to do exactly zero, and half of the players in the game aren't even trying. How can I get a read on drakon136 and ShoesandHats if they won't even post? Doesn't help that most things I should be looking for end up going over my head, lol. If you think I'm doing badly on purpose then feel free to replace me with someone else (assuming the small chance I don't get lynched tonight).

Btw, if Andrew425 was my scumpartner, why would I be trying to lynch him? Do you really think if I was scum there wouldn't be someone on teamchat shouting at me to play properly?  That's to everyone, I guess.

[Toaster]

Shoes:

Wait, if your a scum IC, can you tell people false information? Can there even be a scum IC? Just wondering. Could be useful information fo' scumhunting.

We would much, much rather you learn how to be good players and play many more games here than win one beginner game as scum.  Anything we say in terms of advice is genuine and true.  Check BMXXI: I was a playing IC and scum that game, and everything I said is still applicable.  (Especially the bits about how inactivity leads to an easy scum win.)

Also, is this all you have after a day of lurking?  You need to participate.


Caz:

Btw, if Andrew425 was my scumpartner, why would I be trying to lynch him? Do you really think if I was scum there wouldn't be someone on teamchat shouting at me to play properly?  That's to everyone, I guess.

Two lessons here!

First is bussing.  Scum voting for each other is a perfectly valid tactic.  When I was (non-playing) scum ICs, one of the points I always stressed was if your partner did something scummy, you should call him out on it (publicly) and vote him over it if it was warranted.  This goes back to how best play scum- at day, act like you are town, and hunt out "scum", AKA people who are doing scummy things.  If it's your partner, so be it.

Actively lynching your partner is known as bussing, as in throwing him under the bus.  If your partner is clearly scum, trying too hard to save him can incriminate you the following day.  At some point [the trick is to know when] it is completely fair to join the case against him.  Doing so at the right time makes you look more like town.  Doing so at the perfect opportunity can make you look extremely town.  I have in the past broken a tie vote in favor of my scumbuddy in order to preserve my own "town cred."

Lesson two:  WIFOM.  Essentially, if something comes down to circular reasoning, it's not a valid argument.  The most common case is "If I was scum, why would I do X?"  The answer to that question is usually "So when I do end up doing X, I look town!"  It's scummy, and you should not do it.

To answer your questions...

Btw, if Andrew425 was my scumpartner, why would I be trying to lynch him?

Because you wanted to bus him to look town.

Do you really think if I was scum there wouldn't be someone on teamchat shouting at me to play properly?

There might be.  I have no idea what LNCP is doing.  I assume it's good advice, but that doesn't tell me anything about your (or anyone's) alignment.

[Shark]

Day ends soon, we have to make sure there's no tie or extend. I'm Extending just in case no one breaks this tie.

You're scared of what the town thinks of you, so you're avoiding hunting. That is scummy as hell, town's purpose is to find the scum, not freak out and stop.

Btw, if Andrew425 was my scumpartner, why would I be trying to lynch him? Do you really think if I was scum there wouldn't be someone on teamchat shouting at me to play properly?  That's to everyone, I guess.

I'm not trying to pin you two down as a team of scum, I go after who is scummiest at the moment. Also, what toaster said, that argument is circular logic that achieves nothing. Also, you're making excuses for not hunting. It doesn't matter if other people aren't trying or if you think you're accomplishing nothing, if you refuse to hunt, that's scummy, and you continually refuse to hunt.

Shoes, you're basically posting the minimum effort required to stay in the game. Do you plan to DO anything, or sit there like a useless log? You've done nothing for town. 

Drakon, once again, you hide in the background when people attack each other. Why do you not participate? Explain your behavior.

Remalle, current thoughts on the tie vote? You haven't posted this whole extend. Content to sit back and watch?

Everyone, if you're not voting, stop lurking/defending yourself and get something done!

[Remalle]

Remalle, current thoughts on the tie vote? You haven't posted this whole extend. Content to sit back and watch?

I'm pretty sure I have posted, but to be honest, I've been busy playing NHL '12 every waking moment.  Sorry about that, I'm Canadian.  Whenever I do come back to the thread there's inevitably just one more "Shoes and Drakon are idling, should we modkill them" or "Caz you are scum acting like scum" post.  I probably do need to scumhunt more actively, but so far I'm content enough with my two choices (Caz and Andrew).

[Andrew425]

Can I request a vote count please?

[Toaster]

Remalle:  If you want to see them lynched, you could always either try to convince others to vote them or solidify your suspicions.  That's why I'm still going back and forth with Caz.

However, this day has dragged on.  At some point it just needs to end so we can move on.


Andrew:

Spoiler: UNofficial vote count (click to show/hide)

Remalle() -
Shoesandhats(0) -
Shark() -
Caz(3) - Toaster, Shark, Andrew425
Andrew425(2) - Remalle, Caz
drakon136() -
Toaster() -

Not Voting(3) - Shoesandhats, drakon136

It's not official unless the mod says it. AFAIK, Think is on Pacific time, and the last time posted for day-end was 9 PM.  That would be ~3:45 from this post.