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[Dutchling]

I think that the definition of "fantasy" is kind of blurred.
Just stuff that doesn't exist? Stuff that can't exist? I'm not really understanding where the line lies here.

Fantasy involves stuff that doesn't exist. Whether it be a fictional land or fictional creatures.

Magic and monsters do not actually need to be involved.

So doesn't that make the game fantasy by virtue of it being set somewhere that doesn't exist?
Sorry, I don't know much about genre naming standards, so most of this discussion about "low fantasy" and such is going way over my head.

No fantasy, in this case, means no elves, dwarves, magic, dragons, non-fictional gods, etc.

It's a deal. Than caterpillars and all the other shape-shifters in URR it is!

ftfy

[Sharp]

No fantasy, in this case, means no elves, dwarves, magic, dragons, non-fictional gods, etc.

Arguable, but on other threads im sure

[Neonivek]

No fantasy, in this case, means no elves, dwarves, magic, dragons, non-fictional gods, etc.

Arguable, but on other threads im sure

The usual polite way of saying it is Active Dieties.

[Leatra]

I think that the definition of "fantasy" is kind of blurred.
Just stuff that doesn't exist? Stuff that can't exist? I'm not really understanding where the line lies here.

Fantasy involves stuff that doesn't exist. Whether it be a fictional land or fictional creatures.

Magic and monsters do not actually need to be involved.

So doesn't that make the game fantasy by virtue of it being set somewhere that doesn't exist?
Sorry, I don't know much about genre naming standards, so most of this discussion about "low fantasy" and such is going way over my head.

No fantasy, in this case, means no elves, dwarves, magic, dragons, non-fictional gods, etc.

It's a deal. Than caterpillars and all the other shape-shifters in URR it is!

ftfy

Ruin all the fun

I think we are having trouble with finding a non-subjective definition for "fantasy"

[Urist McScoopbeard]

not real?

[Leatra]

I think that the definition of "fantasy" is kind of blurred.
Just stuff that doesn't exist? Stuff that can't exist? I'm not really understanding where the line lies here.

Fantasy involves stuff that doesn't exist. Whether it be a fictional land or fictional creatures.

Magic and monsters do not actually need to be involved.

So, every fiction book ever written counts as "fantasy" books? And in this game, we will have a lot of fictional stuff and it still won't be fantasy. I think fantasy comes into play when things that we deem impossible happens... or something. I think it's a subjective matter.

Btw, I think aliens are real and thus they don't make a book, a "fantasy" book when they get included in the story.

Second btw, I don't think aliens are real. Maybe... I don't know. That was just for giving an example.

[Rowanas]

As long as you don't wear a tinfoil hat or consult the magic healing crystals, fantasy is whatever isn't included within, or a reasonable extension of, principals found in the real world. Narwhals aren't fantastic, because they can be tamed by anyone, while Unicorns are fantastic because they can only be tamed by virgins, and gallop about the place all magical-like. Komodo dragons aren't fantastic because they'e quite large and have a poisonous (yes, poisonous. The whole "saliva bacteria" theory has been completely debunked, they have venom sacs) bite, while Dragons are fantastic because they soar overhead, breathing fire at things. Platypi get a free pass, despite their best efforts.

[varsovie]

(yes, poisonous. The whole "saliva bacteria" theory has been completely debunked, they have venom sacs)

You shall read more carefully, the poison have a mild effect (local swelling, blood coagulation disruption), so not that bad. The main problem in a komodo bite is still the powerful jaw and the infection (At least for humans).
On animals the effect of the poison isn't documented at all (aka we don't know wtf happen).

But yeah, URR should have a Dwarven civilisation mounting Komodos.

[Nighthawk]

No... it's gotta be Elephants. Nothing strikes fear into the hearts of your enemies like raging, hate-filled elephants.

[DoomOnion]

I went through the entire thread, and the author of this game made it very clear several times that there will be NO fantasy elements, i.e., no imaginary creatures or innate abilities.
Also, I've noticed that people were basically saying, 'hey, this may or may not be considered 'fantastic', so can we have it in game?' with things that are clearly fantasy element.
I am baffled at how immature people can be at times.

[Graknorke]

I went through the entire thread, and the author of this game made it very clear several times that there will be NO fantasy elements, i.e., no imaginary creatures or innate abilities.
Also, I've noticed that people were basically saying, 'hey, this may or may not be considered 'fantastic', so can we have it in game?' with things that are clearly fantasy element.
I am baffled at how immature people can be at times.

We've just been discussing for a firm definition of what constitutes fantasy. That is pretty much the least immature way of going about it.

[DoomOnion]

Oh yeah, I'm just saying that we all know what's fitting for a relatively historically accurate strategy game and what isn't by heart, it's just that the definition of 'fantasy' is a little... blurry.
I think the word choice 'fantasy' isn't exactly accurate when URR said 'There isn't any FANTASY element in the game', though I generally agree that its the best word to describe it.
We all have this firm idea in the back of our heads what is right and what is not right, and trying to ramshackle the definition of Fantasy for the game is going to be very, very hard, to say the least.
I guess we are trying to almost re-invent the term fantasy here, or rather, trying to re-define it.

[Leatra]

I went through the entire thread, and the author of this game made it very clear several times that there will be NO fantasy elements, i.e., no imaginary creatures or innate abilities.
Also, I've noticed that people were basically saying, 'hey, this may or may not be considered 'fantastic', so can we have it in game?' with things that are clearly fantasy element.
I am baffled at how immature people can be at times.

Hey, don't look at me like that. If you were talking about me, it's not my problem if you can't tell sarcasm. Do you think I want aliens and shape-shifters in this game? [sarcasm] Well, yeah. It would be cool. Maybe a little Cthulhu stuff would go well too. [/sarcasm] But I know stuff like that won't be in this game and I'm okay with it. [sarcasm] What do you think I am? Immature? Pfft. [/sarcasm] I gave those examples to show how subjective the word "fantasy" is. People tend to count having fictional civs as being a "fantasy" thing. We are going to have fictional civs but it still won't be fantasy.

I think we can say "THERE IS NO SPELLS AND DRAGONS AND ALIENS AND SHIT" as a short version. That covers most of the fantasy stuff.

Ah, why we are talking about this issue this much? Let's just call it "there won't be unrealistic stuff in this game" and be done with it.

[DoomOnion]

...Touché.

[Leatra]

Ba-dum-tish! No hard feelings.

I have a question about fantasy stuff though. What should we expect from dungeons, crypts and alike? I know there won't be anything supernatural but what will make them interesting then? I remember URR mentioned puzzles (correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm... puzzled by that answer. Solving a puzzle in a roguelike sounds like a Call of Duty point-and-click game. Just seems weird and out of genre. There are probably RL puzzles too but I have never encountered them.