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[Wannazzaki]

4chan has no rails. 4chan is  a crazy train of adventure, fun and questionable content.

/tg/ is awesome and full of lots of cutting edge warhammer fanwank.

[Necro910]

4chan has no rails. 4chan is  a crazy train of adventure, fun and questionable content.

/tg/ is awesome and full of lots of cutting edge warhammer fanwank.

I might look at it later today 

[Loud Whispers]

Spoiler: You made me do this... (click to show/hide)

NYAN CAT TIME

[MadocComadrin]

4chan has no rails. 4chan is  a crazy train of adventure, fun and questionable content.

Then 4chan releases q site update using Ruby On Rails.

[GreatWyrmGold]

A lot of interesting points have been made. Unfortunately, it keeps seeming to come back to the case of the children.
Are goblins cruel toward other races because they're pure evil, or because they see them as too far gone to be helped? Are they truly doing what's right, or are they simply overzealous and misinformed?
They may see torture as acceptable, but we can't say if that is because they enjoy it, or they feel it is the only way to get vital information. We can say they are just evil by nature, but then again the other races aren't exactly in line for a Nobel Peace Prize either.

Every race does what it thinks is right. No one, goblin or otherwise, will do something it knows is wrong without some strong pressure. "The demons?" Only for so long; they are few in number, and a single dictator who cannot get the approval of at least the military of a nation will soon lose his country except for the part immediately surrounding his person.



No sentient being will willingly go against its morals. In addition, any society whose morals do not promote a community (by outlawing theft, murder, etc) will never get beyond the band stage of organization, if it gets that far, because any attempt at unity will last only as long as a charismatic leader could force his citizens to go against their moral grain for the good of the group. It wouldn't last. Therefore, goblins must have started with ethics that allow for community cohesion. They don't now, at least it seems so, and their societies have not fallen apart. Therefore, all must not be as it seems. They have not forsaken moral sense, they have just admitted that, to promote their agenda of The Greater Good, they must abandon their hopes of only doing good. Indeed, they know themselves to be better than the dwarves, who claim to be kinder yet beat goblin POWs with wooden weapons for "training." At least the goblins are honest about their shortcomings.
...There isn't any chance that I can get this thread back on topic all on my own, is there?

[Necro910]

Spoiler: You made me do this... (click to show/hide)

NYAN CAT TIME

NYANNYANAYAYNAYNNYANNYAN

[King DZA]

A lot of interesting points have been made. Unfortunately, it keeps seeming to come back to the case of the children.
Are goblins cruel toward other races because they're pure evil, or because they see them as too far gone to be helped? Are they truly doing what's right, or are they simply overzealous and misinformed?
They may see torture as acceptable, but we can't say if that is because they enjoy it, or they feel it is the only way to get vital information. We can say they are just evil by nature, but then again the other races aren't exactly in line for a Nobel Peace Prize either.

Every race does what it thinks is right. No one, goblin or otherwise, will do something it knows is wrong without some strong pressure. "The demons?" Only for so long; they are few in number, and a single dictator who cannot get the approval of at least the military of a nation will soon lose his country except for the part immediately surrounding his person.



No sentient being will willingly go against its morals. In addition, any society whose morals do not promote a community (by outlawing theft, murder, etc) will never get beyond the band stage of organization, if it gets that far, because any attempt at unity will last only as long as a charismatic leader could force his citizens to go against their moral grain for the good of the group. It wouldn't last. Therefore, goblins must have started with ethics that allow for community cohesion. They don't now, at least it seems so, and their societies have not fallen apart. Therefore, all must not be as it seems. They have not forsaken moral sense, they have just admitted that, to promote their agenda of The Greater Good, they must abandon their hopes of only doing good. Indeed, they know themselves to be better than the dwarves, who claim to be kinder yet beat goblin POWs with wooden weapons for "training." At least the goblins are honest about their shortcomings.
...There isn't any chance that I can get this thread back on topic all on my own, is there?

We're still rebuilding after the ponypocalypse, but that wonderful contribution should definitely help.

It makes me wonder if perhaps the goblins really were a much different race from the ones we see now. Some deep, enigmatic history that would explain why they are so twisted and hated despite their apparently good intentions.

Even if it turns out that they truly are evil now, it is still unclear whether or not this has always been the case.

[Necro910]

A lot of interesting points have been made. Unfortunately, it keeps seeming to come back to the case of the children.
Are goblins cruel toward other races because they're pure evil, or because they see them as too far gone to be helped? Are they truly doing what's right, or are they simply overzealous and misinformed?
They may see torture as acceptable, but we can't say if that is because they enjoy it, or they feel it is the only way to get vital information. We can say they are just evil by nature, but then again the other races aren't exactly in line for a Nobel Peace Prize either.

Every race does what it thinks is right. No one, goblin or otherwise, will do something it knows is wrong without some strong pressure. "The demons?" Only for so long; they are few in number, and a single dictator who cannot get the approval of at least the military of a nation will soon lose his country except for the part immediately surrounding his person.



No sentient being will willingly go against its morals. In addition, any society whose morals do not promote a community (by outlawing theft, murder, etc) will never get beyond the band stage of organization, if it gets that far, because any attempt at unity will last only as long as a charismatic leader could force his citizens to go against their moral grain for the good of the group. It wouldn't last. Therefore, goblins must have started with ethics that allow for community cohesion. They don't now, at least it seems so, and their societies have not fallen apart. Therefore, all must not be as it seems. They have not forsaken moral sense, they have just admitted that, to promote their agenda of The Greater Good, they must abandon their hopes of only doing good. Indeed, they know themselves to be better than the dwarves, who claim to be kinder yet beat goblin POWs with wooden weapons for "training." At least the goblins are honest about their shortcomings.
...There isn't any chance that I can get this thread back on topic all on my own, is there?

We're still rebuilding after the ponypocalypse, but that wonderful contribution should definitely help.

Aponylypse? 

[OcelotTango]

All this talk of histories, and the 'they might or might not have'. We can totally find all this stuff out if we cared enough, for one world at least. The issue isn't that we don't know what happened, we have the legend files; the issue is that it is prohibitive to siphon through enough history to find out what possible motivation they might have had, and that once we have it's still open to interpretation. The best idea in my mind would be to alter dwarven ethics to be highly questionable and see the result of this in fortress mode first hand.
Ok so it's just an excuse to make a fortress ethically devoid, and filled with debauchery and sin, but it might help a little.

[Necro910]

Ok so it's just an magma to make a magma magma, and filled with magma and magma, but it might help a little.

Magma.

[C0NNULL]

Fraking ponies, Nyan-cats. The internet was cooler way back when.

[No, I have never watched any ponies and have never before let Nyan run in the background for hours on end. (The ferret loves it.)]

Magma - It'll fix something.

[MadocComadrin]

Ponies and Nyan-cats are cool. It's those idiotic trollface comics that are ruining the internet.

[Wimopy]

The thread is alive, have you learned nothing from the Fallout, STALKER, ten thousand zombie and other post-apocalyptic games?
Even the worst-case scenario has survivors who start rebuilding and eventually die in glory/gore

The question isn't if goblins are totally evil by nature, (for me) it's why the snatchers think they are 'saving' the babies. Also, do they steal from other races as well? (Might have been mentioned earlier but the ponies DID do some damage)

Questions in short:
Why do they say they 'saved' the babies? Are they lying or do they really believe that?
Are the snatchers in the same faction that siegers are in?
Do they also steal babies from other races/forts?
Do all goblins steal, or only ones led by demons? (The answer is prob no, but it could be interesting in the future)
How did ponies get into the picture?

[King DZA]

The thread is alive, have you learned nothing from the Fallout, STALKER, ten thousand zombie and other post-apocalyptic games?
Even the worst-case scenario has survivors who start rebuilding and eventually die in glory/gore

The question isn't if goblins are totally evil by nature, (for me) it's why the snatchers think they are 'saving' the babies. Also, do they steal from other races as well? (Might have been mentioned earlier but the ponies DID do some damage)

Questions in short:
Why do they say they 'saved' the babies? Are they lying or do they really believe that?
Are the snatchers in the same faction that siegers are in?
Do they also steal babies from other races/forts?
Do all goblins steal, or only ones led by demons? (The answer is prob no, but it could be interesting in the future)
How did ponies get into the picture?

This is currently unknown.

I plan to test this in the near future. I haven't found the time to sit down and play DF lately.

They do say that they rescued lost children. I don't think they ever specify that it's just dwarves they steal from. I'm not certain, though.

I'm pretty sure we have deduced that all goblins, demonic leader or not, steal children.

sshh, don't let Necro see you bring it up.

[Necro910]

The thread is alive, have you learned nothing from the Fallout, STALKER, ten thousand zombie and other post-apocalyptic games?
Even the worst-case scenario has survivors who start rebuilding and eventually die in glory/gore

The question isn't if goblins are totally evil by nature, (for me) it's why the snatchers think they are 'saving' the babies. Also, do they steal from other races as well? (Might have been mentioned earlier but the ponies DID do some damage)

Questions in short:
Why do they say they 'saved' the babies? Are they lying or do they really believe that?
Are the snatchers in the same faction that siegers are in?
Do they also steal babies from other races/forts?
Do all goblins steal, or only ones led by demons? (The answer is prob no, but it could be interesting in the future)
How did ponies get into the picture?

This is currently unknown.

I plan to test this in the near future. I haven't found the time to sit down and play DF lately.

They do say that they rescued lost children. I don't think they ever specify that it's just dwarves they steal from. I'm not certain, though.

I'm pretty sure we have deduced that all goblins, demonic leader or not, steal children.

sshh, don't let Necro see you bring it up.

I see you