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[FrisianDude]

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Concerning demonic overlords... Goblins are not tricked by demons; they are forced into slavery by demons throwing bloody coupes. (In all my world goblin leaders were slain before demons took power, so maybe Goblins are simply the victim of dictatorship (and not the roman kind)
Why would demons want Goblins to hunt babies? Baby snatching is enough in DF worlds to wage war , who like war. Armok. Who reforges worlds when he gets bored? Armok. Each world has unique demons so Armok is obviously creating them for a purpose, I theorize that demons were not made to protect the adamantine, they were made to bring destruction upon the mortal (can be killed) world.

But then what of the males? I have seen first hand snatchers get away Dwarven children of both sexes.

Hmm...
/chinstroke

If Goblin rule is a bloody ditatorship, snatchers could also be greif stricken parents seeking another child.

Allow me to propose a different theory; Goblins are cunts. Demons are cunts. Elves are cunts. Humans are cunts. Dwarfs are malevolent maniacal miniature munchkins.

[King DZA]

Fascinating. Getting ever closer to the truth, i can feel it.

Now to try and piece this together. Time to get deductive up in this bitch:

So, according to UltraValican, the goblins seem to actually be enslaved by the demons, rather than working with them. The demons, possibly like all other creatures, are created by Armok, god of blood. However, it is clear that the demons are one of the much more malicious races in the world. Using the goblins as tools, it becomes incredibly easy to drive the world into bloodshed, pleasing Armok.

Armok plans this from the beginning, the world, with its many different races and perspectives, is a ticking timebomb of violence. With a few malevolent beings, It doesn't take long for the whole thing to go off, where he can then sit back and watch the show. They may not always influence it directly, but Armok, along with his demon henchmen, are usually the culprits. This much is almost certain.

But this is not completely about Armok and the demons. Does this mean the goblins are innocent, forced into battle by their overlords? And what of the children? So far, we only have speculation. If goblins still steal children, even when not under the rule of the demons, then the demons themselves likely have nothing to do with it. The fact they claim that they "rescue lost children" points to the possibility that this is something the goblins do by their own will. But for what reason...
Find out the fate the children, discover the true nature of the goblins.
/coffeesip

And FrisianDude, that theory is absolute rubbish(A.K.A. boring as fuck).

And now, i'm off to attend other activities.

[Wimopy]

Fascinating. Getting ever closer to the truth, i can feel it.

Now to try and piece this together. Time to get deductive up in this bitch:

So, according to UltraValican, the goblins seem to actually be enslaved by the demons, rather than working with them. The demons, possibly like all other creatures, are created by Armok, god of blood. However, it is clear that the demons are one of the much more malicious races in the world. Using the goblins as tools, it becomes incredibly easy to drive the world into bloodshed, pleasing Armok.

Armok plans this from the beginning, the world, with its many different races and perspectives, is a ticking timebomb of violence. With a few malevolent beings, It doesn't take long for the whole thing to go off, where he can then sit back and watch the show. They may not always influence it directly, but Armok, along with his demon henchmen, are usually the culprits. This much is almost certain.

But this is not completely about Armok and the demons. Does this mean the goblins are innocent, forced into battle by their overlords? And what of the children? So far, we only have speculation. If goblins still steal children, even when not under the rule of the demons, then the demons themselves likely have nothing to do with it. The fact they claim that they "rescue lost children" points to the possibility that this is something the goblins do by their own will. But for what reason...
Find out the fate the children, discover the true nature of the goblins.
/coffeesip

And FrisianDude, that theory is absolute rubbish(A.K.A. boring as fuck).

And now, i'm off to attend other activities.

Yes, and also... demons are off the list because humans who are sometimes controlled by them don't steal children.
And Armok wouldn't order the stealings, as god of blood, he wants blood, and obviously, we'd give him plenty of blood using the stolen children.

So, children are usually brought up as members of the goblin society.. Some might even become the cruel overlords that goblins fear...
But, what are they rescuing them from? They aren't only 'saved' from demented slaughterhouses controlled by Overseers, but also peaceful mountainhomes...
The last ideas I have are:
-Save from Magma/Cupcakes.
-Share recipes.
-Save the poor children from the goblin horde.
-They're saving them from alcohol.
-They're preventing them from becoming workaholics.

There's also a slight chance that since they (can) only steal unattended children, they're 'rescuing' orphans and mistreated children...

[OcelotTango]

I can attest that they will indeed steal a baby out of a mothers arms, as I have seen it happen, and fairly recently.
That said, I propose another reason for their theft of the dorflings. It could simply be that in goblin towers there is a culture of anti-dwarf sentiment. That where we see efforts to help impoverishment areas, and ones struck by tragedy, they see fortresses, be they successful or otherwise. Then willing volunteers go to rescue the children before anything worse happens to them.
In short, goblins DO hate dwarves, and believe that all fortresses will end in failure, and that the children must be rescued.

[Loud Whispers]

Goblins are, in all likelyhood are monstrous creatures who seek nothing more than to propagate their race... and ensure they have a lasting legacy. The idea that goblins are benign and being tricked by evil leaders is victim to the fact that Gobbies love torturing everything and mutilating corpses. The idea that goblins are forced to do the bidding of demons is appealing, but dark fortress without (demon overlords) also commit to these appalling actions.

So listen to me this... Maybe the goblins are just massive >CENSCORED<. They steal the dwarf infants to torture their parents. Sure the mother probably doesn't care (Lotsa dwarven rum has some benefits), and the loss of one dwarf will not hurt the good of the fortress much, but imagine the look on two long lost dwarf relatives with the same family name as they fight admist a siege, finding out both have extremely dark and shameful origins, or parents finding out their daughter has become this hideous wretch who scavenges for food and attacks all that is not loyal to gobbies - A fate almost as bad as being adopted by an elf. That is until they are mauled to death by the nearest fun thing.
True torture.
Goblin bastards.

*Edit-grammar corrections.
Yeah I'm a grammar dwarf.

[King DZA]

Goblins are, in all likelyhood are monstrous creatures who seek nothing more than to propagate their race... and ensure they have a lasting legacy. The idea that goblins are benign and being tricked by evil leaders is victim to the fact that Gobbies love torturing everything and mutilating corpses. The idea that goblins are forced to do the bidding of demons is appealing, but dark fortress without (demon overlords) also commit to these appalling actions.

So listen to me this... Maybe the goblins are just massive >CENSCORED<. They steal the dwarf infants to torture their parents. Sure the mother probably doesn't care (Lotsa dwarven rum has some benefits), and the loss of one dwarf will not hurt the good of the fortress much, but imagine the look on two long lost dwarf relatives with the same family name as they fight admist a siege, finding out both have extremely dark and shameful origins, or parents finding out their daughter has become this hideous wretch who scavenges for food and attacks all that is not loyal to gobbies - A fate almost as bad as being adopted by an elf. That is until they are mauled to death by the nearest fun thing.
True torture.
Goblin bastards.

*Edit-grammar corrections.
Yeah I'm a grammar dwarf.

Don't worry, we have not completely ruled out that goblins are simply doing this because they truly are evil in nature. The problem is we still have evidence that conflicts with this, and until that has been disproved we cannot say for certain that goblins are simply murderous bastards.

Mutilating corpses, for example. The thing is, everything seems to like mutilating corpses, so this cannot be a determining factor. I honestly don't remember a time when my dwarves haven't left a corpse mutilated with bits and pieces everywhere. The way you describe the goblins could very easily be said about the other races as well.
We know their actions are fucked up, but a lot of the actions of the other races are just as equally fucked. We're trying to find out whether the the intentions behind the goblins actions are more benevolent then meets the eye. This is why we must find out the fate of the children, they could be having their heads torn off for amusement, or they could be being treated like royalty. We don't know.

Also, based on what we have gathered, it is safe to say that child snatching is a purely goblin affair. We could very well be on the precipice of one of the greatest discoveries of Dwarfkind. I suspect the goblins will arrive at my fortress soon, i shall observe them closely, and see if i notice anything of interest.

One way or another, i will not rest until this mystery is solved.
/determined

[Necro910]

Goblins are, in all likelyhood are monstrous creatures who seek nothing more than to propagate their race... and ensure they have a lasting legacy. The idea that goblins are benign and being tricked by evil leaders is victim to the fact that Gobbies love torturing everything and mutilating corpses. The idea that goblins are forced to do the bidding of demons is appealing, but dark fortress without (demon overlords) also commit to these appalling actions.

So listen to me this... Maybe the goblins are just massive >CENSCORED<. They steal the dwarf infants to torture their parents. Sure the mother probably doesn't care (Lotsa dwarven rum has some benefits), and the loss of one dwarf will not hurt the good of the fortress much, but imagine the look on two long lost dwarf relatives with the same family name as they fight admist a siege, finding out both have extremely dark and shameful origins, or parents finding out their daughter has become this hideous wretch who scavenges for food and attacks all that is not loyal to gobbies - A fate almost as bad as being adopted by an elf. That is until they are mauled to death by the nearest fun thing.
True torture.
Goblin bastards.

*Edit-grammar corrections.
Yeah I'm a grammar dwarf.

Don't worry, we have not completely ruled out that goblins are simply doing this because they truly are evil in nature. The problem is we still have evidence that conflict with this, and until that has been disproved we cannot say for certain that goblins are simply murderous bastards.

Mutilating corpses, for example. The thing is, everything seems to like mutilating corpses, so this cannot be a determining factor. I honestly don't remember a time when my dwarves haven't left a corpse mutilated with bits and pieces everywhere. The way you describe the goblins could very easily be said about the other races as well.
We know their actions are fucked up, but a lot of the actions of the other races are just as equally fucked. We're trying to find out whether the the intentions behind the goblins actions are more benevolent then meets the eye. This is why we must find out the fate of the children, they could be having their heads torn off for amusement, or they could be being treated like royalty. We don't know.

Also, based on what we have gathered, it is safe to say that child snatching is a purely goblin affair. We could very well be on the precipice of one of the greatest discoveries of Dwarfkind. I suspect the goblins will arrive at my fortress soon, i shall observe them closely, and see if i notice anything of interest.

One way or another, i will not rest until this mystery is solved.
/determined

Elves: Eat people, not plants.
Dwarves: Manic Depressive Alcoholics obsessed with murdering in the most eccentric manner possible.
Humans: Torture, greed, dominate the world with their species, so on.
Goblins: Rapists?

[LordSlowpoke]

Goblins: Rapists?

Before someone starts going this route, please, we don't need another Goblin Fortress kind of thread. I've got nothing else to add.

[Ibid Straydrink]

Concerning demonic overlords... Goblins are not tricked by demons; they are forced into slavery by demons throwing bloody coupes.

Not always the case. I have encountered several instances in which demonic overlords have come into power by popular support, i.e. democratic process.

[Necro910]

Concerning demonic overlords... Goblins are not tricked by demons; they are forced into slavery by demons throwing bloody coupes.

Not always the case. I have encountered several instances in which demonic overlords have come into power by popular support, i.e. democratic process.

Did you know that Hitler was elected, and promised to get Germany out of poverty?

Just wanted to put that out there 

[UltraValican]

Concerning demonic overlords... Goblins are not tricked by demons; they are forced into slavery by demons throwing bloody coupes.

Not always the case. I have encountered several instances in which demonic overlords have come into power by popular support, i.e. democratic process.

In human realms yes, demons do use the democratic(?*) process.
*They pose as gods/avatars

[xordae]

No, goblins are evil by Alignment. It's like D&D folks!

Elves are fascists in their own way, and humans are ambitious at best and treacherous at worst.

I think it's very cool to be looking at the human race in particular from an outsider's perspective, giving you a different point of reference.

[Necro910]

Concerning demonic overlords... Goblins are not tricked by demons; they are forced into slavery by demons throwing bloody coupes.

Not always the case. I have encountered several instances in which demonic overlords have come into power by popular support, i.e. democratic process.

In human realms yes, demons do use the democratic(?*) process.
*They pose as gods/avatars

"I AM GOD!"
"But, you just came from Hell? How are you a-"*facemelts*
"Shaddap."
"MMhl mmmhmm mmng!"

[King DZA]

No, goblins are evil by Alignment. It's like D&D folks!

Elves are fascists in their own way, and humans are ambitious at best and treacherous at worst.

I think it's very cool to be looking at the human race in particular from an outsider's perspective, giving you a different point of reference.

But who is it that decides the alignment? We can't simply think an entire race is pure evil because some guy somewhere says so. In order to put my curiosity to rest, i need proof!

[Necro910]

No, goblins are evil by Alignment. It's like D&D folks!

Elves are fascists in their own way, and humans are ambitious at best and treacherous at worst.

I think it's very cool to be looking at the human race in particular from an outsider's perspective, giving you a different point of reference.

But who is it that decides the alignment? We can't simply think an entire race is pure evil because some guy somewhere says so. In order to put my curiosity to rest, i need proof!

We don't know what happens to the children, so it will never be known. We don't know if they're rapists, slavers, or liberators.