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[Wannazzaki]

QUOTE, Spoilered

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The popular image of a Dwarven fortress is the picture of Koganusan... the smoking gatehouse of hell, filled with madmen, miasma, and omnicidal maniacs.  Perhaps that is the way that many fortresses end, run into the ground by the increasingly insane schemes of their overseers... but those are not the only fortresses that the Goblins invade.  They come for the good and the wicked alike, take the unloved, the orphans, and the doted upon with equal glee.  It is the goblins that are the chosen minions of Demons upon the surface, for such creatures must impersonate gods to sway the humans and can have their way with neither dwarven nor elven kind.  Many dwarves live happy lives from birth until death in the dwarven fortresses of the world, and all too often that death comes on the end of goblin swords, with no provocation nor show of horror to be found.  They give no reasons for their attacks, and offer no quarter.  If they believe they are doing good, then their zealotry results in greater evil, for if it were not for the constant pressures of the goblins, perhaps overseers would not be so desperate for the ruinous contraptions dwarves have become known for -- magma floods, adamantine, and all other forms of doomsday device would be largely obsolete if the goblins did not persecute a war against the dwarves.  Supersoldiers would wait out their lives for megabeasts that are surprisingly easily felled, and the gladitorial arenas would be empty.  Dwarves, you see, are children of their world, and it is the goblins that make the world, and therefore the dwarves, hostile.

One of the most intriguing points made thus far.

Perhaps, however, they are just presumptuous. The various races have been slaughtering one another since almost the beginning of time(in their world). And one must admit that, out of all other races, dwarves have some of the most sadistic methods of doing so. A young goblin would grow up hearing stories of the twisted things that went on in these fortresses, horrible acts committed against his ancestors so long ago even the teller of the stories would have trouble believing it ever truly happened. Although dwarves may not truly be as bad as depicted, legends have a way of becoming over exaggerated as time goes on.

With no first-hand experience that proves otherwise, generations of goblins would grow to see dwarves as more sinister than the demons who ruled over their own race, who could also have some part in the deception as well. Brainwashing the goblins into seeing the other civilizations as evil for their own ends.

By the time a goblin has reached a mature age, he would have developed a strong mixture of both fear and hatred for the dwarven race, even without ever meeting one personally. When confronting the bearded creatures, he would waste no time ending them right then and there. As far as he knows, they would not hesitate to do the same to him, and with a much more murderous delight.

Feeling sympathetic toward the children who will grow up in a race of such supposedly horrid beings, they attempt to "rescue" a few of them, in the hopes that they can keep them from succumbing to the vile ways of the others.

They attack any fortress and steal any children not because they don't care, but because from what they have heard, there are no "good" dwarves. They all love nothing more than the cries of agony from their helpless victims. This misconception would be further strengthened by the dwarves building massive machines of death to defend against the goblin hordes, who are seen as evil because they seemingly attack unprovoked.

perhaps the foundations for these wars are not really a matter of good and evil, but ignorance and misunderstanding.

Good points, now I'll list mine.

Goblins live in dark fortresses, and most of the time, tyrannical demons control them,

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who sometimes even personally goes to slaughter enemies.

Now, they might see dwarves as evil, they might see them as food, they might just want their things or their huge forts....
But why do snatchers kidnap the children? There could be multiple reasons.

-They think they are saving them from the rest of the horde.
-They want a dwarven craftsman.
-They'd like to reduce the number of dwarven defenders.
-They want to increase their own numbers.
-The leader demands slaves/new enemies to control.
-The demon is mind-controlling them to believe it's good.
-They might be wanting to train spies.

-Goblins are paedophiles.

[Wimopy]

QUOTE, Spoilered

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The popular image of a Dwarven fortress is the picture of Koganusan... the smoking gatehouse of hell, filled with madmen, miasma, and omnicidal maniacs.  Perhaps that is the way that many fortresses end, run into the ground by the increasingly insane schemes of their overseers... but those are not the only fortresses that the Goblins invade.  They come for the good and the wicked alike, take the unloved, the orphans, and the doted upon with equal glee.  It is the goblins that are the chosen minions of Demons upon the surface, for such creatures must impersonate gods to sway the humans and can have their way with neither dwarven nor elven kind.  Many dwarves live happy lives from birth until death in the dwarven fortresses of the world, and all too often that death comes on the end of goblin swords, with no provocation nor show of horror to be found.  They give no reasons for their attacks, and offer no quarter.  If they believe they are doing good, then their zealotry results in greater evil, for if it were not for the constant pressures of the goblins, perhaps overseers would not be so desperate for the ruinous contraptions dwarves have become known for -- magma floods, adamantine, and all other forms of doomsday device would be largely obsolete if the goblins did not persecute a war against the dwarves.  Supersoldiers would wait out their lives for megabeasts that are surprisingly easily felled, and the gladitorial arenas would be empty.  Dwarves, you see, are children of their world, and it is the goblins that make the world, and therefore the dwarves, hostile.

One of the most intriguing points made thus far.

Perhaps, however, they are just presumptuous. The various races have been slaughtering one another since almost the beginning of time(in their world). And one must admit that, out of all other races, dwarves have some of the most sadistic methods of doing so. A young goblin would grow up hearing stories of the twisted things that went on in these fortresses, horrible acts committed against his ancestors so long ago even the teller of the stories would have trouble believing it ever truly happened. Although dwarves may not truly be as bad as depicted, legends have a way of becoming over exaggerated as time goes on.

With no first-hand experience that proves otherwise, generations of goblins would grow to see dwarves as more sinister than the demons who ruled over their own race, who could also have some part in the deception as well. Brainwashing the goblins into seeing the other civilizations as evil for their own ends.

By the time a goblin has reached a mature age, he would have developed a strong mixture of both fear and hatred for the dwarven race, even without ever meeting one personally. When confronting the bearded creatures, he would waste no time ending them right then and there. As far as he knows, they would not hesitate to do the same to him, and with a much more murderous delight.

Feeling sympathetic toward the children who will grow up in a race of such supposedly horrid beings, they attempt to "rescue" a few of them, in the hopes that they can keep them from succumbing to the vile ways of the others.

They attack any fortress and steal any children not because they don't care, but because from what they have heard, there are no "good" dwarves. They all love nothing more than the cries of agony from their helpless victims. This misconception would be further strengthened by the dwarves building massive machines of death to defend against the goblin hordes, who are seen as evil because they seemingly attack unprovoked.

perhaps the foundations for these wars are not really a matter of good and evil, but ignorance and misunderstanding.

Good points, now I'll list mine.

Goblins live in dark fortresses, and most of the time, tyrannical demons control them,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

who sometimes even personally goes to slaughter enemies.

Now, they might see dwarves as evil, they might see them as food, they might just want their things or their huge forts....
But why do snatchers kidnap the children? There could be multiple reasons.

-They think they are saving them from the rest of the horde.
-They want a dwarven craftsman.
-They'd like to reduce the number of dwarven defenders.
-They want to increase their own numbers.
-The leader demands slaves/new enemies to control.
-The demon is mind-controlling them to believe it's good.
-They might be wanting to train spies.

-Goblins are paedophiles.

You get a cupcake for that one. -Evil Pinkie Pie laugh-

Speaking of cupcakes... maybe the goblins want to share recipes...

[FrisianDude]

Goblins live in dark fortresses, and most of the time, tyrannical demons control them,

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who sometimes even personally goes to slaughter enemies.

So do those freaky elongated short-beard demi-Dwarfs who live above ground, often. Indeed, in one of my forts I had multiple statues of a single hyena demon who killed multiple Goblins. Turns out that demon ruled the Humans I was trading with.

[Necro910]

You get a cupcake for that one. -Evil Pinkie Pie laugh-

Speaking of cupcakes... maybe the goblins want to share recipes...

FOREVER

[King DZA]

Goblins live in dark fortresses, and most of the time, tyrannical demons control them,

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who sometimes even personally goes to slaughter enemies.

So do those freaky elongated short-beard demi-Dwarfs who live above ground, often. Indeed, in one of my forts I had multiple statues of a single hyena demon who killed multiple Goblins. Turns out that demon ruled the Humans I was trading with.

Well shit, that just opens up a whole new batch of question right there.

Looks like i have a new side quest to take on:

Discover the true nature of goblins/demons.

[OcelotTango]

Hmmm, you know, when I created this thread I totally forgot that they even stole other races. Could it be that they are gathering all the civilized races of the world before they cleanse the world of non-goblins?
A sort of goblin arc, but more violent and less buoyant.

[Wannazzaki]

Hmmm, you know, when I created this thread I totally forgot that they even stole other races. Could it be that they are gathering all the civilized races of the world before they cleanse the world of non-goblins?
A sort of goblin arc, but more violent and less buoyant.

More likely to have harems of hairy children.

[Loud Whispers]

And so we have unearthed the true threat of the goblins.
They want to purge the world of non Gobbies.

...

Dorf + Volcano = We dun it first D:<

[King DZA]

This conundrum is so intriguing, i might have to get a funny hat and pipe to solve it.

And so we have unearthed the true threat of the goblins.
They want to purge the world of non Gobbies.

...

Dorf + Volcano = We dun it first D:<

Yes, that may be true. But then, we have the question of why?

What drives the little green men to such an endeavor? Is it of their own accord, or do the demons have something to do with it? And why go through all the trouble of snatching then? what purpose do they have for saving children of the races they plan to destroy?

Hmm, most interesting...

[Necro910]

This conundrum is so intriguing, i might have to get a funny hat and pipe to solve it.

And so we have unearthed the true threat of the goblins.
They want to purge the world of non Gobbies.

...

Dorf + Volcano = We dun it first D:<

Yes, that may be true. But then, we have the question of why?

What drives the little green men to such an endeavor? Is it of their own accord, or do the demons have something to do with it? And why go through all the trouble of snatching then? what purpose do they have for saving children of the races they plan to destroy?

Hmm, most interesting...

Exotic Post-Apocalyptoc Harems, because the snatched children have no other mates?

[King DZA]

This conundrum is so intriguing, i might have to get a funny hat and pipe to solve it.

And so we have unearthed the true threat of the goblins.
They want to purge the world of non Gobbies.

...

Dorf + Volcano = We dun it first D:<

Yes, that may be true. But then, we have the question of why?

What drives the little green men to such an endeavor? Is it of their own accord, or do the demons have something to do with it? And why go through all the trouble of snatching then? what purpose do they have for saving children of the races they plan to destroy?

Hmm, most interesting...

Exotic Post-Apocalyptoc Harems, because the snatched children have no other mates?

But then what of the males? I have seen first hand snatchers get away Dwarven children of both sexes.

Hmm...
/chinstroke

[UltraValican]

Concerning demonic overlords... Goblins are not tricked by demons; they are forced into slavery by demons throwing bloody coupes. (In all my world goblin leaders were slain before demons took power, so maybe Goblins are simply the victim of dictatorship (and not the roman kind)
Why would demons want Goblins to hunt babies? Baby snatching is enough in DF worlds to wage war , who like war. Armok. Who reforges worlds when he gets bored? Armok. Each world has unique demons so Armok is obviously creating them for a purpose, I theorize that demons were not made to protect the adamantine, they were made to bring destruction upon the mortal (can be killed) world.

But then what of the males? I have seen first hand snatchers get away Dwarven children of both sexes.

Hmm...
/chinstroke

If Goblin rule is a bloody ditatorship, snatchers could also be greif stricken parents seeking another child.

[King DZA]

Concerning demonic overlords... Goblins are not tricked by demons; they are forced into slavery by demons throwing bloody coupes. (In all my world goblin leaders were slain before demons took power, so maybe Goblins are simply the victim of dictatorship (and not the roman kind)
Why would demons want Goblins to hunt babies? Baby snatching is enough in DF worlds to wage war , who like war. Armok. Who reforges worlds when he gets bored? Armok. Each world has unique demons so Armok is obviously creating them for a purpose, I theorize that demons were not made to protect the adamantine, they were made to bring destruction upon the mortal (can be killed) world.

But then what of the males? I have seen first hand snatchers get away Dwarven children of both sexes.

Hmm...
/chinstroke

If Goblin rule is a bloody ditatorship, snatchers could also be greif stricken parents seeking another child.

By jove, that's brilliant!

So it may very well be possible that the goblins have been no more than pawns to the evil ways of the demons. Of course this leaves the question of, why them? Are they the weakest? The easiest to control? Or perhaps it's their vast numbers...

As for Armok, i should have known that dastardly fiend was behind this.
Quickly! Alert the constable! He must be brought in for questioning immediately.

[Necro910]

This conundrum is so intriguing, i might have to get a funny hat and pipe to solve it.

And so we have unearthed the true threat of the goblins.
They want to purge the world of non Gobbies.

...

Dorf + Volcano = We dun it first D:<

Yes, that may be true. But then, we have the question of why?

What drives the little green men to such an endeavor? Is it of their own accord, or do the demons have something to do with it? And why go through all the trouble of snatching then? what purpose do they have for saving children of the races they plan to destroy?

Hmm, most interesting...

Exotic Post-Apocalyptoc Harems, because the snatched children have no other mates?

But then what of the males? I have seen first hand snatchers get away Dwarven children of both sexes.

Hmm...
/chinstroke

Well, they need future generations of slaves ya know.

And the females want in on the deal too.

[Wannazzaki]

This conundrum is so intriguing, i might have to get a funny hat and pipe to solve it.

And so we have unearthed the true threat of the goblins.
They want to purge the world of non Gobbies.

...

Dorf + Volcano = We dun it first D:<

Yes, that may be true. But then, we have the question of why?

What drives the little green men to such an endeavor? Is it of their own accord, or do the demons have something to do with it? And why go through all the trouble of snatching then? what purpose do they have for saving children of the races they plan to destroy?

Hmm, most interesting...

Exotic Post-Apocalyptoc Harems, because the snatched children have no other mates?

But then what of the males? I have seen first hand snatchers get away Dwarven children of both sexes.

Hmm...
/chinstroke

Well, they need future generations of slaves ya know.

And the females want in on the deal too.

I hear demons are 60% penis.