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[Draco18s]

Elves come along and I decide to dump as much (narrow) and (large) clothing on them as I can.
I meticulously make sure I've marking only cave spider silk, giant cave spider silk, pig tail and rope reed cloth to trade.
Run out of weight, hit T and...
"That poor creature..."
WTF?
So I went back and double checked every single item marked for trade looking for anything that wouldn't be a cloth or silk.
As I've never run across cave spider or giant cave spider leather it looks like I'm in the clear.
Next time the elves come by I'll check if the silk is what's bothering them (and make a save).

[Mephisto]

I've never had Elven traders yet, so this may not be correct.

Elves don't accept items made from wood because you killed a tree. Maybe they don't like it that you had to kill a plant to make the cloth?

[Ookpik]

Silk, alas, is not cool with elves:  you gotta boil worms to get it, after all.

[OldMiner]

Er, no, that's not true.  Silk, both giant cave spider and normal cave spider, is just fine with elves.  I regularly trade narrow silk items leftover from thieves, as well as masterpiece silk hoods and other articles, dwarf made, far too expensive for any of my craftsdwarves to afford.

Of coruse, the nobles swear, seeing another potential posession traded away for the luxury of food.  "New peasants will come every season if some starve," they cry, "but masterworks, now those are far from a certainty!"

Odds are you had something made of giant cave spider /chitin/ which is leather, for all intents and purposes.

Edit: Should post something helpful instead of just saying what it wasn't, eh?

[ January 28, 2007: Message edited by: OldMiner ]

[ctrlfrk]

Did you check to make sure none of the items were encrusted with bone or anything like that?

[Draco18s]

None of the item names indicated being decorated, so I don't think it's that.
I may have been a chitin item, the names were cut off, so I'm not sure.

It'd be real handy if there was a message indicating what item was the problem or even displaying "animal products by death" in red (like "forbidden to trade" are in purple) when the elves are trading.

[X]

Informing you of potential faux pas sounds like the job of the diplomat to me.

X

[Draco18s]

True enough.  Now, does that actually happen and I haven't seen it yet?

[qwip]

I had problems trading with elves my first time, and I thought I fixed it by not having wooden bins in the Trade Depot at all.  I believe that the elves saw the wooden bins and threw a hissy fit, even though I wasn't specifically offering the bins, nor the items from within the bins, for trading.
Once I went to the move to/from depot menu and deselected the bins for [TRADING], the trades went through.
It could have been something else I did, but I believe that addressed it for me. Bug or intended feature, I dunno.

[OldMiner]

quote:Originally posted by qwip:
<STRONG>I had problems trading with elves my first time, and I thought I fixed it by not having wooden bins in the Trade Depot at all.</STRONG>

Nope, not the bins either.  See Elves on the Wiki.  Could have been encrusted with clear glass or something else seemingly innocuous.  Turtle shell leggings maybe?

I do wonder how elves get protein in their diet if any dead animal is such a problem.  Insects perhaps?

[Guy]

quote:Originally posted by OldMiner:
<STRONG>I do wonder how elves get protein in their diet if any dead animal is such a problem.  Insects perhaps?</STRONG>

My theory is that they are some kind of wood/plant spirits.  So, photosynthesis.

That probably means that most trees are their extended family.  Which I think also means that this game seriously needs trees that turn into ents and kick your ass if you cut too many of them down.

[Capntastic]

quote:Originally posted by Guy:
<STRONG>

My theory is that they are some kind of wood/plant spirits.  So, photosynthesis.

That probably means that most trees are their extended family.  Which I think also means that this game seriously needs trees that turn into ents and kick your ass if you cut too many of them down.</STRONG>

They used to, I think.   Or maybe it was planned.

[Toady One]

The elven druids used to make the trees on your map come alive.  Along with the corpses coming alive during the undead invasion, it was one of the few hard-coded "magic" effects.  I removed those since it needs to be replaced by an actual system rather than haphazard effects.

There are a few elf-based stories up at TT's Stories.  The basic idea was that they could utilize the plants that they've nurtured to satisfy their various material/food needs, without actually killing the plants, almost to the point of it being "magical".  Magic isn't in yet, so right now they are basically gatherers that build wooden weapons out of fallen logs.

[Ookpik]

Thanks for the correction on the silk thing, Miner.  I screwed things up with the elves once, and I assumed it was the silk that did it, so I never traded silk with them again.

quote:Originally posted by OldMiner:
<STRONG>I do wonder how elves get protein in their diet if any dead animal is such a problem.  Insects perhaps?</STRONG>

We vegetarians do fine for protein, thank you very much!  Even vegans do okay, though I could never bring myself to give up purring maggot milk.

[JT]

"I'm a level five vegan.  I don't eat anything that casts a shadow."

(Actually, I'm a pure omnivore.  But you can't go wrong with Simpsons quotes. ;-))