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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #180 on: October 03, 2011, 09:01:36 am »

Yeah, so everyone's essentially split between having a very strong connection between sex and relationships, or having no connection.
And I guess each person of each type would have their own differing reasons for sex before or after marriage.
But to use shark puncher's analogy, I wouldn't really want to be locked into a relationship with a girl before finding out that we're not compatible. Or that she has cystic ovaries or something. Sex is just another facet of finding out the person you want to spend your life with anyway. You wouldn't wait until you're married before meeting her parents, so why should you wait before meeting her genitals?


Also, Bro bump hugs are awesome.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #181 on: October 03, 2011, 09:09:12 am »

Yeah, so everyone's essentially split between having a very strong connection between sex and relationships, or having no connection.
I think it should happen after a lifelong commitment, and that sex is an important part of a relationship.

 I am in the venn diagram that should not be.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #182 on: October 03, 2011, 09:27:09 am »

I hug pretty much anyone who is more than a slight aquaintance, unless it's unacceptable for social reasons, etc. And I really don't like going for drives by myself, or sleeping with the door closed.

This is pretty much standard practice here, at least with friends of the opposite gender. The other option is the cheek kiss (beso). I think we all just really like touching people in ways that have no intimate component.

Of course you're really unlikely to see two guys hugging each other.

When saying goodbye to two nice persons I met at the polish language course on the train station, I got a hug from the male sociology student and a handshake from the female geology student :P
Must have looked akward for anyone who was watching.

I've had no problem with it though.
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« Reply #183 on: October 03, 2011, 06:31:38 pm »

You wouldn't wait until you're married before meeting her
parents, so why should you wait before meeting her genitals?

There are reasons, and they have already been addressed in this thread. Whether those reasons are sufficient or applicable to any particular individual is something for those individuals to decide.

To recap:

1) For many people, possibly even most, sex is an emotionally significant event. The first time imprints them in several ways. When two people imprint on each other, that creates a potential for compatibility that is very difficult to achieve in other ways. You speak of sexual compatibility, but while trial and error with lots of people in one way to "find" it, it can be created between two people who share their learning process about sex together exclusively with each other.

2) The concept of inertia applies to behavior and psychology just as much as it does to physical objects. If one wants to have an exclusive relationship eventually, it makes practical sense to become accustomed to such a lifestyle. If a ball is sitting on a pool table, it doesn't magically start moving on its own. When I hit it with a pool cue it will tend to stay in motion until something stops it from moving. Inertia. If you live your entire life planning to have a relationship with only one person, and then meet one person and marry that one person and have sex with that one person, you've living a lifetime of consistent behavior that will tend to more easily continue to be consistent in that behavior. If you have casual sex with different people whenever you meet someone sexy, once again, you're creating a pattern of behavior that will tend to continue. Living a lifestyle of casual sex with whomever you want and ending relationships whenever they become inconvenient, is not a lifestyle that is easily conducive to lifelong commitment. If you want to someday have a relationship that involves lifelong commitment, it's helpful to have psychological inertia conducive to it.

3) Additionally, while it hasn't been addressed that I've seen, there are a few less "nice" reasons resulting from, for lack of a better way of phrasing it, human frailties. For example, if you've had sex with 10 people, and then settle down and get married, it's entirely likely that the person you marry might not be the best of them in bed. That has the potential to weigh, not only on you, having sex with someone and after a few years becoming increasingly disappointing that they don't live up to the better sex you used to have and now miss, it also has the potential to weigh upon them, because they know that you've had sex with nearly a dozen people, they know that the odds are that they're not the best, and it's difficult for them to be sure how honest you're being about it. Whereas, if two people have only ever had sex with each other, they both know that they're the best sex their partner has ever had. There's a very real and significant feeling of security and certainty that can result from that. There are lots of issues of this sort that sex-with-only-one-person-per-lifetime enables one to avoid. What about penis size? Mathematically speaking, half of the entire male population has a penis that is in the bottom half of the pool of penis sizes. "Below average." If a girl has sex with 10 guys, then marries one, it's extremely likely that she will have had sex with guys with a bigger penis than her husband. How will he feel about that? Once again, if two people have only ever had sex with their one partner, that will never be an issue.

Granted, none of this has anything to do with marriage specifically, and I'm not arguing in favor of the rationalizations given by the article in the original post. I'm not suggesting that anyone requires permission from a preacher to do as they choose with whom they choose. Nevertheless, there are some definite benefits to lifetime exclusive sexual partnering.

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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #184 on: October 03, 2011, 07:01:12 pm »

Our prehuman ancestors went for over four billion years without obsessing over these issues like this and were fine. Our species went for thousands of years without marriage before the dawn of civilization and we survived. How far we have fallen if such a contrivance is now necessary.
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« Reply #185 on: October 03, 2011, 07:06:26 pm »

Our species went for thousands of years without marriage before the dawn of civilization and we survived. How far we have fallen if such a contrivance is now necessary.

Marriage is one of the oldest human institutions, to the point where there are virtually no recorded societies that lacked it in some form. This includes Stone Age cultures with massive inertia, such as the Amerindians.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #186 on: October 03, 2011, 07:09:35 pm »

Our species went for thousands of years without marriage before the dawn of civilization and we survived. How far we have fallen if such a contrivance is now necessary.

Marriage is one of the oldest human institutions, to the point where there are virtually no recorded societies that lacked it in some form. This includes Stone Age cultures with massive inertia, such as the Amerindians.

I'm talking about, like, prior to the dawn of civilization.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #187 on: October 03, 2011, 07:13:32 pm »

You mean the time that no records outside of fossils exist of, and it is impossible to state anything of the sort as fact? That, in other words, your statement has no backing whatsoever?
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #188 on: October 03, 2011, 07:14:21 pm »

Our species went for thousands of years without marriage before the dawn of civilization and we survived. How far we have fallen if such a contrivance is now necessary.

Marriage is one of the oldest human institutions, to the point where there are virtually no recorded societies that lacked it in some form. This includes Stone Age cultures with massive inertia, such as the Amerindians.
There was prostitution, too. What's your point?
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #189 on: October 03, 2011, 07:25:03 pm »

I'm gonna cede my point about early humans, at least for now, because I just realized that part of the argument as it was mapped out in my mind involved an incorrect conflation of the development of spoken language, the development of written language, and the development of art.

I will say, however, that Maximum Zero's point, on the other hand, is absolutely valid.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #190 on: October 03, 2011, 07:45:00 pm »

I do believe there are certain animals (I think emperor penguins are one?) that mate for life, so are essentially married.  Though humans don't exactly follow that behavior 100% of the time.

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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #191 on: October 03, 2011, 07:51:58 pm »

I do believe there are certain animals (I think emperor penguins are one?) that mate for life, so are essentially married. 

Ok, I'll grant that too.

However, it does ironically provide proof of concept for the idea of marriage itself being pointless, or rather, redundant. If lower animals don't need contracts and/or churches to stay together, why should we?
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« Reply #192 on: October 03, 2011, 08:26:15 pm »

Because we're "higher" animals.
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« Reply #193 on: October 03, 2011, 08:28:50 pm »

Because we have the wonderful institutional idea known as bureaucracy. And there ain't no way you're claiming tax on a person unless the government can be sure that you're in it for the long haul.
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Re: Premarital sex talk :O
« Reply #194 on: October 03, 2011, 08:30:15 pm »

contracts and/or churches
The contracts provide quite a few legal benefits that are pretty important. Like if one partner is critically injured the other partner decides what should be done, whereas the lack of a contract would provide a good deal of grief. There are dozens of other legal connections that are about as difficult to work with as this one.
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