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Here we go again!

The game is Matrix Games' War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition. http://www.matrixgames.com/games/game.asp?gid=351 and forums at http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=528

It is a strategic and operational level, mainly, strategic game on the Pacific War between Japan and her ally Thailand against the Allies: USA, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, Free France, China(both communists and nationalists or Kuomintang) and later the Soviet Union. In ground units, the smallest controllable units are about company size, biggest ones(that can be divided for more flexibility) are divisions. These units are modelled down to squadron/team level of ~10-20 men depending on the squad type. In naval units, nearly every ship, boat and submarine is there, only the very small yard barges etc. are missing, and they are all controllable individually. Air units are modeled down to individual aircraft and pilots, including the various skills and experience. All ships, land units, air units as well as HQs and task forces have also individual leaders whose stats effect the unit behavior and combat effectiveness.


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My esteemed opponent Smeulders runs his own AAR over at the WitP:AE forums, you are of course free to read it. However, with the gentleman's OPSEC rules, it is generally considered unsporting to comment/post in both AARs or break the OPSEC - you may ask questions and give comments, but you cannot pass any information whatsoever between the 2 AARs or the 2 players. Please do refrain from even asking leading questions to avoid spoiling the fun! You can of course pass information between the readers as long as you do so via private messages.

The Scenario is DaBabes Scen #28, which is the same as Scenario #1 but with some adjustments and about 2,000 small ships more - mainly to the Allies. Japanese also get some of their toys, mainly fighter aircraft, in actual historical schedule which is 3 to 1 months earlier than in Scenario #1. Also the AAA effectiveness has been made more consistent between different guns (also more effective) and Aerial ASW has been toned down somewhat.



The date is currently February 26th, 1942. What has happened so far, going first through the map clockwise:


Pearl Harbor: didnt go quite as well as it could have. For some reason half of the torpedo bombers failed to launch, so we failed to sink a single battleship, and the Zeros that attacked airfields took serious losses. I decided to bomb for 2 more days, which resulted in aerial battles over Pearl as well as over the Kido Butai when the Americans threw everything they had at the Japanese fleet. All but 1 of the USN BBs were at least heavily damaged, but we have no confirmed kills. We lost 120 aircraft and almost the same number of aircrew, which is NOT good as every each of them were irreplaceable... Allied air losses were only around 60.

CENPAC: Wake Invasion was canceled, so the only islands where we have secured have been Makin, Tarawa and Nauru. Ocean Island will be attacked in a few days.

SOPAC: I have committed strong forces in New Guinea and the Solomons chain. Port Moresby was captured by the 46th Infantry Division and 144th Regiment in an amphibious invasion supported by our carriers and battleship Mutsu. Currently, the whole of the Solomons is Japanese and the Allies have nothing left in New Guinea other than a few unoccupied bases that will get secured later. I will provide a screenshot of this area and my future plans later.

Dutch East Indies and Malaya: Japanese have moved very quickly in this area too. Singapore fell in early February, and the whole of Sumatra will be ours within days. The vital oil fields and refineries at Palembang, Miri, Brunei and Tarakan in Borneo are ours and completely intact. Java invasion force is at the very moment loading aboard ships - D-day is March 1st or 2nd.

Burma: Is almost completely Japanese. Allied units retreated without much fighting, and we secured Magwe's oil fields and Rangoon's refineries completely intact. We are now building up airfields and moving in AAA units and bases forces to protect Burma from future Allied land and air offensives.

China: We have been very active in China and committed a good part of our bombers here, half of them operating from Formosa. We have cleared the coast so we now have clear roads all the way from Singapore to Shanghai and Korea! That of course helps a lot with the supplies... The China Front is now consolidating as Japanese forces are approaching Changsha in the middle and Sian in the north. Chinese Northern army is mostly intact but their South/Middle army has taken some serious casualties.

Air war: Allies have been very passive so we havent had many air battles yet. They dont even fight over their own turf. The few "ambushes" by American Volunteer Group in Burma and China ended up in Japanese getting early warning and ambushers getting ambushed themselves... After Luzon's fighter force and Singapore's Buffaloes were decimated the Allied have pretty much pulled back their air forces.

Naval battles so far:

Philippines: thanks to crap weather, enemy fighters and bad coordination with Zero escorts, we failed to destroy a single one of the 28 USN submarines at Manila. However with carrier support our surface units managed to bag just about all of the important support ships, including America's first carrier AV Langley, the repair ships and most if not all of the passenger liners, tankers and oilers. USN warships managed to get out intact. In the skirmishes within Philippines and in the southern Philippinean Sea we lost 1 old destroyer to American cruiser CL Boise but I'm pretty sure that we also nailed one USN destroyer. With all the destroyed "civilian" and support ships I think we did pretty well despite of committing relatively little naval force.

Sumatra: during our Palembang invasion, an Allied surface force flanked our invasion force and laid some mines outside Palembang. Unfortunately, I had forgot to set one of the transport task forces to not react away from enemy, so they did, and hit the minefield: 4 big transports and an old destroyer sunk, with more ships hurt. Lucky me those vessels had no troops aboard them any more. Our surface units then engaged the enemy, who had 6 destroyers and 2 cruisers: Dutch CL Java was hit by a type 93 Long Lance torpedo and was heavily damage, and USN cruiser CL Marblehead was sunk by CL Oi using a similar torpedo. We lost an old torpedo boat. CL Java was not confirmed sunk but she had a long way to nearest port and we have not seen her for since(2 months now) and she has not been sighted by our aircraft doing repairs in a port anywhere.

Brisbane: in support of our Port Moresby invasion, I sneaked the whole Japanese carrier fleet down the Coral Sea and hit Brisbane. Surprise was complete when the hundreds of Japanese aircraft appeared, and there was no resistance whatsoever. The port had at least 5 cruisers: CA Canberra was hit multiple times by 800kg AP and sunk when her magazines exploded after a bomb hit through the deck. CL Achilles tried to leave the port in the following night but was sunk by Japanese destroyer force. CLs Perth and Adelaine were also hit hard and were possibly sunk. 2 other cruisers were also hit but they probably escaped. We also nailed 12 transports, a mine layer, a submarine tender, a passenger liner and destroyer DD Stuart that was escorting CL Achilles. 2 days later our submarines in this area also killed a Dutch submarine returning to port.

Java round 1: I consciously let Celebes uninvaded and did not raid Java Sea, instead keeping a heavy screen of submarines East and South of Java, monitoring traffic in and out. This was worth of it: submarine I-156 spotted Royal Navy's battleship BB Royal Sovereign with only light escorts, and put 2 torpedoes on her. 2 days later, Royal Sovereign was photographed doing repairs at Soerebaja's port, accompanied by multiple cruisers. 2 days later, Japanese air attack(against no enemy fighters) hit Royal Sovereign 16 times and also damaged cruisers Enterpise, Danae, Durban, and sunk a mine sweeper. The Allies immediately stopped the emergency repairs and started evacuating their fleet. Outside Soerebaja waited 13 Japanese submarines, and thanks to again worse than lacking ASW escorts, submarine I-160 put 2 more torpedoes on Royal Sovereign and sunk her. Banzai!

Java round 2: only days later, Kido Butai arrived Banda Sea from the East to raid Soerebaja. Allied quickly evacuated what they had left, and a submarine managed to put a torpedo on cruiser CL Dragon: with heavy damage reported fairly far from nearest port, she is a possible kill. Kido Butai managed to catch the very best Allied light cruiser in existence, CL Mauritius, and sunk her a couple of days later, together with an escort destroyer DD Vendetta.

Java round 3: it did not take long for the Allies to move in naval units once Japanese carriers had left. A Japanese force of 8 destroyers and 2 heavy cruisers found cruisers CL Tromp and CA Houston at Java's southern coast, but in a very weird night time combat in bad weather only managed to hit one of their 4 escort destroyers with no Japanese losses. We have some evidence of that destroyer sinking 2 days later.

I'm pretty sure that Java round 4 will come when we land at Merak in 5 days. We will be ready.

Submarines:

Allied submarines have so far managed to sink a couple of small transports, a patrol boat and 2 troop transports. We have 2 confirmed kills, both Dutch, with 2 more confirmedly at least heavily damaged and 1-2 more lightly damaged.

Japanese submarine force has during this campaign performed very well. We have lost only 5 boats as damaged(3 already fixed and returned to action), while we have managed to kill at least 10 transports and cargo ships, 1 huge passenger liner, a big repair ship, 3 tankers(one a huge 20,000 ton one). Submarines also sunk BB Royal Sovereign together with the IJNAAF bombers, as well as sunk a Dutch submarine near Sydney.

But that was not enough. 3 days ago, having heavy submarine screen at the Australian East Coast paid off, paid off big, as did Allied carelessness:



The brave crew of I-16 first attacked a USN carrier task force but was itself attacked escort destroyers and forced to dive and retreat. A second carrier task force followed the first soon after, I-16 slipping past Yorktown's light escorts, shooting 8 x 53 cm Type 95 torpedoes, 2 of them hitting: the first one caused heavy damage and massive flooding, and the second one hit boilers, caused more serious flooding and the mighty Yorktown began to list. I-16 then proceeded to fire 8 more torpedoes at a carrier that was identified the Saratoga, but those torpedoes missed. Yorktown was left sinking, listing badly, on fire, more than 150 nautical miles from Sydney.

More submarines were immediately ordered to the area at full speed, and the USN carriers did not move during the day any more, meaning the Yorktown was fatally damaged. The following night day, 4 submarines between the USN carriers and Sydney failed to make contact until late in the day when they sighted some ships but failed to get in attack position. Heavy volume of radio transmissions in the area, great number of Allied warships sailing past and forth, only 2 carriers sailing to Sydney's harbor let us believe that Yorktown did indeed sink, all of the aircraft still aboard her. Today's New York times(= my opponent) confirming it. Banzai! Banzai! Banzai!

Naval warship losses so far:

Japan, sunk:
2 x old WW1 vintage destroyers (DD), nothing serious
1 x TB, light destroyer "torpedo boat"
1 x DMS light destroyer "minesweeper"

Japan, damaged:
1 x old CL
3 x DD
3 x SS

Allies, confirmed kills:
CV Yorktown
BB Royal Sovereign
CA Canberra
CL Mauritius
CL Achilles
CL Marblehead
DD Vendetta
2 x SS

heavily damaged, 50% or better chance kills:
CL Java
CL Dragon
DD Stuart
DD John D. Ford (old)
DD Barker (old)
1 x SS

damaged but not believed to be sunk:
CA Astoria
CL Danae
CL Durban
CL Perth
CL Enterprise
CL De Ruyter
2 x SS

Pearl Harbor:
6 x BB + 2 x CA and 1 x CL + 2 x DD heavily damaged
My educated guess is that we got 1 x BB, 1 CL and 1 DD - not too well...

Anyone who wants to review the campaign so far almost turn-by-turn, my WitpAE forum AAR is there: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2864709&mpage=1&key=

« Last Edit: May 21, 2012, 05:06:24 am by Erkki »
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Re: War in the Pacific PBEM AAR #2
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 06:02:34 am »

Upcoming stuff:

China: Battles for Changsha and Sian starting in 2 days

DEI: Merak invasion and the beginning of the Battle of Java in 2 days, D-day planned for March 1st-2nd

South Pacific: A raiding force led by BB Haruna and CVL Shoho will try to find some convoys to hit between Fiji and Baker(almost halfway from Fiji to Hawaii). USN CVs are most probably all far away at or near Sydney now so Shoho should be safe. Lets see if we can find a fuel/supply convoy or two from San Francisco/Los Angeles to Sydney. This raiding TF also acts as a distant cover to our Ocean Island invasion force and the transports that bring more troops and engineers from Tokyo and Yokohama to the Solomons and New Guinea.

Spoiler: SOPAC and CVL Shoho TF (click to show/hide)
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Re: War in the Pacific PBEM AAR #2
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 11:21:19 am »

February 27th

Another silent day, pretty much the only action is occupation of Ocean Island.

Java invasion force leaves the port, if everything goes right, it will reach the landing beach in 2½ days. Surface action squadrons and 2 squads of DMSes will sweep ahead, CVEs Taiyo and Hosho will provide LRCAP while they are themselves LRCAPed by Ki-27s from Singkawang. We're leaving the battlewagons home this time.

You guys will get some screenshots tomorrow - not much to see in the Java Sea yet. I'm estimating the Allies to throw what is left of the Dutch East Indies Air Force at the invasion fleet as well as submarines, all the PT boats and harbor defense vessels, possibly even actual warships. We will use a heavy screen of over almost 2 dozen cruisers and 30+ destroyers, a light carrier task group, submarines, fighters from Palembang and Oosthaven as well as 2 mobile surface action squadrons with 4 heavy cruisers and 8 destroyers each. Ideally those heavy units will fight some night time battles against intercepting enemy surface forces and further attrit the Allied cruiser fleet, the 80+ fighters we have will decimate their air force and troop transports get to safely unload all the 55,000 troops that land in the first wave.
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Re: War in the Pacific PBEM AAR #2
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 01:06:45 pm »

I love this... I love to read about the game, love thinking about it, seeing AARs, dreaming about playing it, but it'd probably never get around to it (assuming they'd lower the $80 price tag....). Too much detail for one commander, taking too long and all that. The best thing they could do is set up a multiplayer version where everyone takes care of one smaller theatre or operations or something like that.

Please keep it coming :)

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 01:20:56 pm »

I agree with all of the above. I'd love to play it, but I just can't justify the 80 dollar pricetag, for the amount of fail I'd have at it.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 03:25:26 pm »

So, as my knowledge of the PAcific war is rather lacking let me check:

Pearl: Less well than historically.

Other Battles: Significantly better.

Overall: ???

Profit!
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Re: War in the Pacific PBEM AAR #2
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2011, 03:28:16 am »

I love this... I love to read about the game, love thinking about it, seeing AARs, dreaming about playing it, but it'd probably never get around to it (assuming they'd lower the $80 price tag....). Too much detail for one commander, taking too long and all that. The best thing they could do is set up a multiplayer version where everyone takes care of one smaller theatre or operations or something like that.

Please keep it coming :)

There are actually some 1 on 2 and 2 on 2 games going and AARed... Such as Mynok & Chickenboy vs. USS America & AW1Steve. The turn resolution phase replay file as well as action, operational, sigint etc. reports are generated separately in 1 turn and 6 .txt files, so as one player is working on his orders the others can view the turn and plan for their orders. Tracker and CombatReporter help a lot with summarizing the turns and managing the economy too, reducing the workload a lot. They'll tell the player about any changes that might need new orders as well as track the economy, losses etc.

Agreed with the 80$... I probably wouldnt have bought it but I don't buy many games, 2-3 a year or so, and I had played strategies before so I thought what the heck, heh.

So, as my knowledge of the PAcific war is rather lacking let me check:

Pearl: Less well than historically.

Other Battles: Significantly better.

Overall: ???

Profit!

I hope to be able to engage and further attrit the Allied navies at Java. Each ship they lose will be a ship less in their future offensives, and they're a lot easier to kill now than they will be then... One of the reasons I'm not committing more than a few carriers is to not make the Allies run and flee. Also surface action squadrons will for today stay behind the main body of the invasion fleet and only take their patrol positions tomorrow, to not look too strong.  :)

BTW you can add CL Adelaine to the "probable kills" list - she received an 800kg and 2 x 250kg through the deck at Brisbane with heavy fires and damage reported. Hasn't been sighted since.
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2011, 03:56:15 am »

And here is the full list of Japanese ship losses so far, sorted by of VP points (very roughly the importance or usefulness of the vessel). Note that there are just 4 actual fighting ships on the list, one small minesweeper-destroyer, one small TB light destroyer and 2 WW1 vintage destroyers(especially DD Yugao was a useless one, the other was better but very short ranged so they were both only marginally useful escorts any way). xAP Hikawa Maru hurts the most but we still have many left.

Spoiler: Japanese losses (click to show/hide)

I'm not posting the Allied losses, at least not yet, theres too much fog of war: many ships are missing(like 30 or so....) and many, 3-4 at least, I know that aren't sunk are still on it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 08:37:27 am »

February 28th

Another silent day. Java invasion kickstarted, also we'll try to retreat some Chinese troops near Changsha tomorrow.

Date is wrong in the pic, its 28th and not 29th...


Carrier Division 1 will be just backup tomorrow, the day after it'll move ahead, chasing off possible enemy surface units away from the invasion beach and trying to get itself attacked in order to attrit enemy air and naval units. CAs Haguro & Atago and some DDs block the strait between Sumatra and Java - they are protected by a wing of Zeros.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 04:48:05 am »

March 1st and 2nd

China: Kiukian falls, Chinese stack near Changsha retreated. 5,000 Japanese losses with 2 destroyed squads vs. 25,000+ Chinese... Tomorrow a 4,900 AV stack will shock attack at Sian. Lets see what happens, at least 11 of Sian's 29 units have been retreated at least once before, 2500 AV behind forts 2 or 3 should still be doable. Kiuchuan far in the North assaulted by a small Japanese force, the town holds but forts are down to 0 and the defending Chinese Brigade takes heavier losses than we do. Shock attack ordered for tomorrow.

DEI:

Japanese land at Merak, Java. A squadron of Dutch HDML crafts walz past 2 Japanese cruiser squad, and then out of the 7 task forces at Merak they manage to engage the only one that contains transports - we lose 2 xAPs and 4500 men aboard them! CL Kashii fights them alone with 2 destroyers and they manage to sink 2 of the 7 HDMLs despite of them all being damaged before the fight even begun. Japanese patrol craft attack and hit an American submarine near the beaches. We lose one small E class escort ship, Sagi, to mines, but the DMSes sweep the last of them by daybreak.

Rest of the landings go unopposed, and all of the Wave 2 will be at the beaches by tomorrow evening. Tomorrow, we will also land at Kalidjati with a smaller force that includes aviation support units - then we will immediately fly in fighters, their task being air superiority over the NW end of Java and Batavia.

Dutch Air Force attacked the invasion fleet multiple times today, but combined fighter-CAP from CVE Hosho, Oosthaven and Palembang heavily attrited them, shooting down at least 17 139Ws, 9 CW-22s and a B-339 fighter without a loss. Some bombers did get through but attacked Japanese cruisers instead of the transports, and scoring no hits. We expect these attacks to be continued tomorrow. Carrier Division 1 with Akagi, Shokaku, Zuikaku and Ryujo finds no targets worth of attack(nor does it get attacked itself). For tomorrow, the CVEs will move to support the unloading transports directly at the beach, while CarDiv I will move back.

SOPAC: Ndeni invaded, CVL Shoho raider TF spots nothing NE of Fiji, it'll check out Pago Pago area tomorrow.

Spoiler: Java Sea, March 2nd (click to show/hide)
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 04:54:06 am »

Zero pilots Kawabata F, Matsumoto V, Araki U did "hat tricks" by shooting down 3 enemy aircraft during a single sortie, and 6 other pilots, including some Ki-43 pilots, shoot down 2 in 1 or 2 sorties today. Those were easy kills on mostly unescorted bombers, though, lets see if the Dutch send in more fighters tomorrow.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 05:59:44 am »

Awesome, not sure about the game mechancis, but in my books, 5000 for 25000 is a good trade! Not so good a trade would be 4500 men for 2 boats (not sure what an HDML is). Nice to see good progress in China already! I don't know why, but I'm always sattisfied to see you make progress in China...
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 06:11:23 am »

Awesome, not sure about the game mechancis, but in my books, 5000 for 25000 is a good trade! Not so good a trade would be 4500 men for 2 boats (not sure what an HDML is). Nice to see good progress in China already! I don't know why, but I'm always sattisfied to see you make progress in China...

Yes this time I'm trying to seriously knock China out of war... Already achieved a lot of things I didnt last try: Burma Road is cut, Chinese Southern Army retreated multiple times and now nearly defeated and I might, I give it 30-70 chance, capture Sian in the North tomorrow and in doing so retreat hundreds of thousands of Chinese and cut-off half a million or so...

HDML = Harbor Defense Motor Launch, fast defensive vessels, basically long range a torpedo boat with small cannons or machine guns and often a torpedo or 2, sometimes depth charge rack for point-defense ASW work. Similar-ish to PT, ML and Japanese MTB and MGB.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 06:11:40 am »

I don't know why, but I'm always sattisfied to see you make progress in China...

Perhaps it's because China is a logistical nightmare, a hostile, road-less wasteland, and a bitch to traverse.. (Or at least was "back then")
'twas one of very few reasons that caused the Japanese invasion to fail.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2011, 08:13:34 am »

Awesome, not sure about the game mechancis, but in my books, 5000 for 25000 is a good trade! Not so good a trade would be 4500 men for 2 boats (not sure what an HDML is). Nice to see good progress in China already! I don't know why, but I'm always sattisfied to see you make progress in China...

So, you lost 4500 men, and they lost 2 glorified motorboats? Ouch.

Yes this time I'm trying to seriously knock China out of war... Already achieved a lot of things I didnt last try: Burma Road is cut, Chinese Southern Army retreated multiple times and now nearly defeated and I might, I give it 30-70 chance, capture Sian in the North tomorrow and in doing so retreat hundreds of thousands of Chinese and cut-off half a million or so...

HDML = Harbor Defense Motor Launch, fast defensive vessels, basically long range a torpedo boat with small cannons or machine guns and often a torpedo or 2, sometimes depth charge rack for point-defense ASW work. Similar-ish to PT, ML and Japanese MTB and MGB.
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