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Re: War in the Pacific PBEM AAR #2
« Reply #180 on: November 11, 2011, 10:53:59 am »

That is intense detail. So many mechanichs at play! This is why I could never play this game, I'd just be so overwhelmed, and never learn it properly.

Nah, the UI is pretty good and the Tracker helps a lot. The amount of detail is incredible but usually the game tells you if something requiring the player's attention or new orders happens, and lots of stuff can be mass-ordered via the industry, unit, ship and base menus. First 4-5 turns in a campaign are huge taking 4-5 hours a turn but after that it gets easier. After watching the reply I usually use 30-45min and then 15min to make sure I didnt forget anything(and I always forget something.  ;D ).
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« Reply #181 on: November 11, 2011, 12:37:40 pm »

While I've got your attention, how easy/hard is managing supply? (both land and sea, fuel transportation etc.) Is it automated? or do you have to manualy set routes and ships and stuff? Or both? That's another thing that kind of threatens me about this game.
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« Reply #182 on: November 11, 2011, 01:02:34 pm »

While I've got your attention, how easy/hard is managing supply? (both land and sea, fuel transportation etc.) Is it automated? or do you have to manualy set routes and ships and stuff? Or both? That's another thing that kind of threatens me about this game.

Supply is semi-abstracted. Supply points(or "tons") are generated by industry, both heavy and light. Ground units use supply - if they dont have supply available to maintain squads and devices, they will become damaged and eventually destroyed. Also fixing disabled squads/devices burns supply, as does combat and movement, depending on the squads and devices in the unit. Supply is also burned when ground unit takes replacements, at a big enough base preferably with a HQ in range and lots, lots of supply available.

Air units use supply depending on the type of plane, sortie and ordnance(torpedoes, drop tanks, or normal load). Maintaining and fixing planes also burns supplies as does taking replacements(like with ground units, base has to be big enough, with HQ nearby and enough supply points).

Supply can be moved aboard ships but it also moves cross-country(slow, depends on distance and terrain type), via roads(dirt and paved), railroads(1-rail, multirail, heavily railed). Units and bases will automatically pull the supply where its needed, with a small delay, but cross-country or too long road connections will result in slow movement and some of the supply being wasted on the route, simulating the supply needs of the transferring by foot or on trucks.

Supply is also used to repair and rearm ships.


Ships on the other hand burn fuel, which comes from refineries. Fuel can be moved with tankers or regular transports, but as fuel will be in barrels the cargo space is not used as efficiently. As with supply, load and unload rates depend on both the ship and port size and available "naval support" squads as well as dedicated port load/unload labor squads. Tankers move a lot of fuel and oil but unloading them at some atoll will take forever...


Logistics is easier for the Allies as they are practically swimming in supply and fuel compared to the Japanese. Japan needs to set up a system where convoys pick up fuel, oil and resources from China, Manchuria, Korea, Sakhalin, Burma and East Indies and transfer them from Honshu's industry, while surplus fuel is transferred where  ever it is needed or stockpiled. Those resources, oil and fuel can also be moved closer via roads or rail to minimize the need of risky naval traffic, but there will be some wastage on the journey and for the massive amounts of stuff required only some of the, say, Burma's oil and resources can first be moved to Thailand, Malaya or Indochina, so clear shipping lanes are vital to Japan and submarines a real threat.
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Re: War in the Pacific PBEM AAR #2
« Reply #183 on: November 11, 2011, 01:41:21 pm »

Stop making me wanting this game so bad :) Right now, things I want to get are rudder pedals for IL2, get all the startup stuff for airplane modelling (thinking about Zeros, Avengers, SBDs, Kates, Hell/Wildcats, etc), and this. I'm still waiting for a sale at Matrix Games...


I recall from a couple of scenarios I did with a less than legal version of the game that pilots are really quick to tire. 40% CAP seems like a LOT. When do they rest? Do you put the TF's back in port for a bit for R&R?

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« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2011, 03:52:23 pm »

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I'm still waiting for a sale at Matrix Games...

You're looking to be waiting a looooong time. :P

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« Reply #185 on: November 12, 2011, 09:21:48 am »

Stop making me wanting this game so bad :) Right now, things I want to get are rudder pedals for IL2, get all the startup stuff for airplane modelling (thinking about Zeros, Avengers, SBDs, Kates, Hell/Wildcats, etc), and this. I'm still waiting for a sale at Matrix Games...


About the rudder pedals, you only really have 2 options: CH or Saitek. Saitek's can be adjusted and are cheaper but CH pedals can be locked to be used as racing pedals and they will outlive you.   ;D  I have CH568 + CH Pro Pedals myself and they are working as if they were new after 8 and 4 years. CH's potentiometers are very accurate and if they get broken you can order them for 4 or 5$ from CH's web store.

Matrix usually has Xmas sales and as they just dropped WitPAE from their "late releases" so it might be there.  ;)


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I recall from a couple of scenarios I did with a less than legal version of the game that pilots are really quick to tire. 40% CAP seems like a LOT. When do they rest? Do you put the TF's back in port for a bit for R&R?

Well, to me, if a unit has as many pilots as planes, adequate aviation support and its in a small malaria zone base they still fly happily 40% without average fatigue going above 10, as long as they dont fight. Combat boosts fatigue itself and more pilots will scramble... CVs and big bases, or big non-malaria bases that have air units with more pilots than planes can fly 50 (or even 60% CAP for a week or so) without getting too fatigued as long as there is no combat or secondary missions like escorting bombers.

edit: Yes if theres so much damage that the crew cant fix it themselves or if I want to boost the repair rate I'll disband the ship. But not in a base within enemy bombers' range or naval threat areas unless I have to and/or can provide adequate CAP and surface vessel protection or at least deterrent. I had to disband CL Oi at Kalidjati after the torpedo hit for emergency repairs but I had pretty good CAP there and 2 big cruiser squadrons protecting the unloading transports any way.

Fishbreath, congrats, you're now leading in kills.  ;)
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« Reply #186 on: November 12, 2011, 10:37:37 am »

Yeah, I'm not too keen on buying Saitek stuff. I've heard far too many stories of bad X52 quality that I don't want to get their products. I got a throttle quadrant from CH. I'm not TOO happy with it, since the inputs tend to fluctuate a fair bit, and don't actually reach 0 and 255, but it's "good enough". It just developed a problem with one of the buttons, though it's probably from someone inadvertently sitting on it :\

I guess I'm waiting for X-mas... :)

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« Reply #187 on: November 12, 2011, 02:04:52 pm »

Yeah, I'm not too keen on buying Saitek stuff. I've heard far too many stories of bad X52 quality that I don't want to get their products. I got a throttle quadrant from CH. I'm not TOO happy with it, since the inputs tend to fluctuate a fair bit, and don't actually reach 0 and 255, but it's "good enough". It just developed a problem with one of the buttons, though it's probably from someone inadvertently sitting on it :\

I guess I'm waiting for X-mas... :)

You might want to try recalibration and/or getting new pots.... Or if the guarantee time went already you can try opening it and see if theres anything stuck in there, sand, dust etc in the pots.
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« Reply #188 on: November 13, 2011, 11:51:12 am »

April 12th


Indian Ocean: Still no contacts. CVs refueled in 3 days.

East Indies: At Christmas Island IO, Dutch submarine attacks kamikaze xAK sinking it. It attacks on surface and the brave transport hits the sub(which launches probably all of its torpedoes) 4 times.

South Pacific: Port Moresby's G4Ms spot the CL Glasgow TF that is now escaping Timor Sea CVs to West now near Horn Island, but for some reason the bombers do not launch. They probably dont have fuel for a flank speed dash out of range so I moved some more bombers in from Truk and set search arcs - lets see if we have better luck tomorrow, when the Glasgow will probably be at Cairns, Cooktown or Townsville or near these places. Kanoya Ku K-1 with PO2 Nishiura, P.(Burn Pies) is at Port Moresby. 40+ Zeros available for escort if weather allows and we get good enough search info for the attack. Just 2 ships so Glasgow is still with DD Pillsbury.

SigInt: picks a massive convoy in the South Pacific near French Polynesia. Composition unknown, but they're making noise...
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« Reply #189 on: November 13, 2011, 04:45:20 pm »

April 13th

CL Glasgow escapes in the bad weather.

An IJN submarine takes a shot at a Dutch DD at the NW coast of Australia. The TF has 2 more unidentified ships and is heading south. If the subs sieging Perth get better info out of it in 1-2 days I might move Kaga and Ryujo to hit them.
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« Reply #190 on: November 13, 2011, 05:23:14 pm »

I'd like a unit. A bomber of some description. With KB maybe.

An air group leader that is? We have some new air groups being formed:

14th Ku S-1: A6M2-N unit, 9 planes, most probably wont be seeing combat any soon
78th Sentai: army fighter, 36, same thing
94th Sentai, army bomber, 27, same
203rd Sentai, army fighter, 27, same
5th Ku S-1, A6M2-N, 9, same
38th Sentai, Ki-46

Above units in 14 days.

Next new CV units arrive with CV Junyo in 27 days, fully trained and equipped air groups of Zeros, D3A1s and B5N2s.

Any old pilot will do, but those Ki-46s sure are tempting.
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« Reply #191 on: November 13, 2011, 05:54:36 pm »

Could the massive convoy be the missing CVs?
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« Reply #192 on: November 14, 2011, 05:11:04 pm »

April 14th


Another silent day.


Indian Ocean: no contacts.

East Indies: nothing significant happens but tomorrow we try to get Tilitjap and Bandoeng is cut off in 2 days.

South Pacific: Buna hits AF size 2. Starting to feel more safe here...

Home Islands: sending a Marine battalion and a company to Onnekotan-Jima, just to prevent a cheap capture. Should make Paramushiro safer as well.

CVE Unyo will be completed in 3 days. Unyo will wait at Honshu for CV Junyo to be completed in 21 days, to carry her D3As.


Any old pilot will do, but those Ki-46s sure are tempting.

24th Sentai (full Group of 42 planes) just upgraded from Ki-27 to Ki-43 and will do some final exercises before being sent to the front at Taihoku, Formosa... Those guys will probably be sent to Lae in New Guinea. Interested? Leader is major Takeshi Takahashi, very "average" leader but not interested in swapping him to a better one yet. He is not a flying leader so he can only get killed if sunk aboard a ship and not rescued or if killed in ground combat.  ;)
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« Reply #193 on: November 14, 2011, 05:14:42 pm »

Could the massive convoy be the missing CVs?

The one SigInt picked up near French Polynesia? Other side of Australia... Even if it was heading West interception would have been impossible. It was at southern New Zealand's latitude.  :P
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« Reply #194 on: November 14, 2011, 05:56:48 pm »

Sounds grrrrreat!
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