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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2011, 05:50:20 am »

I would very much like to see that. :P Hell, I'd like to see a longbow pin anything to concrete.

Damnit do you know how hard it is to justify things i have heard at some point in my life and decide to believe because it sounds awesome?
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2011, 06:00:22 am »


After a few years of shooting a couple of hours on two days a week, I was very comfortable with my 70lb bow, and was one of the few in the guild that could shoot the 110lb bow one of the guys had (there were many stringer than I, but technique is better than strength). It takes a lot of shooting over time to build up the muscles used for a longbow.

If you'd break it down on a crash course, how many weeks do you think the becoming comfortable would take?
I didn't shoot with longbows but got quite the hang of modern sports bows quite quickly. Don't know about the power I pulled though.
I rather imagine skill came with their status (yeomanry?). I suppose they had to show up for some trooping during a year (as a form of feudal duty) where they most likely trained to act as a unit. And if they didn't fulfill their duties, there'd be consequences, I suppose. And so you'd look after your gear and practice shooting in case the lord would call you to arms.
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #107 on: October 12, 2011, 06:39:45 am »

And just in case you're tempted to take it as factual because the "Gerald of Wales" guy was probably from the same period, you should remember that only a century or so later explorers were making the totally factual claims of fearsome cannibals with their heads in their torsos, or real live unicorns.

One thing that a longbow could reliably do was kill or startle lightly armored horses, or wear down an armored man at long range, but not impale his thigh in a single go.

That said, even the best plate armour has joints or other weak spots, and plenty of knights had to make do with kit bought secondhand or from the cheapest bidder. If the archers could put enough shafts in the air fast enough they were bound to get lucky sooner or later.

Oh sure, but you're going to have trouble hitting anything important at range and you're in a bit of a hassle if they got close enough. Weak spots in armours tended to be on the joints and such so even if you reliably hit those, it doesn't necessarily mean the bastard is out of the fight. Especially not when rondels came in to use. Those were essentially tiny shields held in place over these weak spots. :P And later plate didn't even bother with these either as advances in metallurgy and armour-smithing meant that they could create plates that curved and overlapped over these weak points.
You know how DF crossbows are killer even with wood bolts because goblins rarely armor several of their body?
Same idea.
Longbows had (with sufficient arc) a very long range, and high rate of fire, so enough archers could put enough arrows into the sky so that enough wounds were scored on the knights and their horses to immobilize (joints were one of the weak spots, remember?), demoralize, or...bleedize? the enemy. And, of course, longbows came into play at a time when there were a large number of peasants. There was a law in...I forget what century, but in Medieval England that every man had to practice longbow at least once a week. Even with the details that surely have either slipped my mind or were not mentioned, that's a hell of a lot of potential soldiers.

Used correctly, you could probably use longbowmen to absolutely destroy any other fighting force from before firearms overcame their initial downsides. (Of course, used incorrectly, they would be the destroyed, but that's the case even with tanks vs. clubs if your tactics are weak enough.)
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #108 on: October 12, 2011, 06:46:56 am »

One thing a longbow could do is pin a man to concrete if fired at them from an elevated position.

Maybe if it was fired by God.
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #109 on: October 12, 2011, 07:38:54 am »

Maybe if it was fired by God.
Maybe not. It depends on the concrete. I could see an arrow going through a body part of an unarmored man, but maybe not the concrete.
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« Reply #110 on: October 12, 2011, 09:01:18 am »

One thing a longbow could do is pin a man to concrete if fired at them from an elevated position.

Maybe if it was fired by God.

Apparently Longbowmen were built like gorillas. A lifetime of extreme upper-body exercise would do that :)
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #111 on: October 12, 2011, 09:52:29 am »

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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #113 on: October 12, 2011, 11:10:28 am »

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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #114 on: October 12, 2011, 11:52:37 am »

This is fascinating info, albeit slightly hilarious in a thread where a dwarf can bite the head off of !anything! and send it flying in an arc. (Which makes me wonder about the shape and composition of a dwarf's teeth, and the need for dwarven dentistry (or not), and... please don't bring this up with Tarn.) Anyways, back on topic.

I read in some fantasy novel or another--I think the Sky Sword series--about people lunging forward when shooting bows as a means of making it strike harder. It sounded bogus when I read it, but is there any truth to the matter? This would have been just after the collapse of the Roman empire, somewhere in the early middle ages.
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #115 on: October 12, 2011, 11:56:33 am »

I read in some fantasy novel or another--I think the Sky Sword series--about people lunging forward when shooting bows as a means of making it strike harder. It sounded bogus when I read it, but is there any truth to the matter? This would have been just after the collapse of the Roman empire, somewhere in the early middle ages.

That does sound pretty bogus, since a guy lunging forward wouldn't add any appreciable force to an arrow being fired, plus it would throw off his aim.
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #116 on: October 12, 2011, 11:58:38 am »

I read in some fantasy novel or another--I think the Sky Sword series--about people lunging forward when shooting bows as a means of making it strike harder. It sounded bogus when I read it, but is there any truth to the matter? This would have been just after the collapse of the Roman empire, somewhere in the early middle ages.

That does sound pretty bogus, since a guy lunging forward wouldn't add any appreciable force to an arrow being fired, plus it would throw off his aim.
Unless you had extreme speed (Can't do so on foot) you aren't going to hit much harder. If you were on horseback, you'd have the horse's speed added onto the arrow's speed.

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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2011, 12:00:56 pm »

I read in some fantasy novel or another--I think the Sky Sword series--about people lunging forward when shooting bows as a means of making it strike harder. It sounded bogus when I read it, but is there any truth to the matter? This would have been just after the collapse of the Roman empire, somewhere in the early middle ages.

That does sound pretty bogus, since a guy lunging forward wouldn't add any appreciable force to an arrow being fired, plus it would throw off his aim.
Unless you had extreme speed (Can't do so on foot) you aren't going to hit much harder. If you were on horseback, you'd have the horse's speed added onto the arrow's speed.

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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2011, 12:04:13 pm »

Unless you had extreme speed (Can't do so on foot) you aren't going to hit much harder. If you were on horseback, you'd have the horse's speed added onto the arrow's speed.
I now want a post-apocalyptic tribe of motorcycle nomads fighting with bows from cycle-back. Hollywood, make it happen!
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Re: Are Hammerlords some kind of sick joke?
« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2011, 12:05:10 pm »

Hmm, a bow will provide some recoil, whether lunging forward could offset the recoil a bit?
But yer, running while firing a gun will technically make the bullet go that little bit faster and would technically give it more stopping power.

But i reckon if it is documented that Bowmen would lunge forward when firing, its to do with technique instead of making the arrow more deadly.
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