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[moocowmoo]

Made me laugh out loud, good job.

[BeforeLifer]

Dont yell at me if that been said so far, but if EA got DF then they would money whore the LIVING HELL out of it. Hell thats what they are doing with BattleField 3 ATM

[optimumtact]

Dont yell at me if that been said so far, but if EA got DF then they would money whore the LIVING HELL out of it. Hell thats what they are doing with BattleField 3 ATM

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain what you mean by that? Do you feel that Battlefield 3 is something of a deviation away from BattleField 2?

[Tharwen]

Dont yell at me if that been said so far, but if EA got DF then they would money whore the LIVING HELL out of it. Hell thats what they are doing with BattleField 3 ATM

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain what you mean by that? Do you feel that Battlefield 3 is something of a deviation away from BattleField 2?

I just uninstalled the beta and cancelled my preorder, mainly because it seems to be far more focussed on doing well on your own than as a squad, unlike in previous games.

Two major changes that I think affect this the most:

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.
2. There's no medic. The medic was previously one of the core components of squad-based gameplay, and now healing is largely irrelevant (because you die almost instantly anyway) and reviving is just another way to get points for yourself.

EDIT: Also, the guns feel inaccurate and powerless. Maybe ranking up would solve that, but I don't want to.
Also, bugs. Beta, yes, but bugs. Bugs everywhere.

[Neonivek]

I don't think Dwarf Fortress is renown enough for EA to REALLY Cash Cow it so straight forwardly.

Then again... can I really say that X-com is that well known?

[Oliolli]

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside? "Die very quickly" is a good thing in games if you ask me. Look at Red Orchestra (either one) for instance, it requires luck and a poor shot from the enemy so you DON'T die right away. Compare to, say, Call of Duty. Get shot with a 7.62x51 mm round in the chest, and keep going like nothing happened.

I don't think Dwarf Fortress is renown enough for EA to REALLY Cash Cow it so straight forwardly.

EA is known well-enough. And they would be able to market it insanely.

[quip]

Watching.

[KhaaL]

Two major changes that I think affect this the most:

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.
2. There's no medic. The medic was previously one of the core components of squad-based gameplay, and now healing is largely irrelevant (because you die almost instantly anyway) and reviving is just another way to get points for yourself.

Not to defend EA or put this thread off topic, but you should get your facts straight. Medic is still in, in "assault" kit now. One good thing about BF3 is that snipers scope give reflections that gives them away. I applaud them for that.

[Pandarsenic]

KhaaL, this thread hardly has a topic. It's a vessel for a joke about EA's habits that has been derailed into serious discussion.

Anyway.

Dying quickly is a bad thing because it makes medics less useful, I would assume. If it's all across the board, it cheapens the benefits of seeking headshots instead of bodyshots, meaning the missed shots from spread aren't worth it so you should just spam bullets center-of-mass.

[Lord Braindead]

so you should just spam bullets center-of-mass.

Which is exactly what every real soldier is teached to do because it is the most effective way to kill or at least seriously wound someone.

[Pandarsenic]

Yeah.

I prefer fun to realism in my games. When they're compatible? Great! That's wonderful! Pile on both.

When they conflict, I'll take the fun every time.

[Tharwen]

Two major changes that I think affect this the most:

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.
2. There's no medic. The medic was previously one of the core components of squad-based gameplay, and now healing is largely irrelevant (because you die almost instantly anyway) and reviving is just another way to get points for yourself.

Not to defend EA or put this thread off topic, but you should get your facts straight. Medic is still in, in "assault" kit now.

I know that. I've been obsessively following the game for months now.

I meant that healing has just been shoved off to the side somewhat, and doesn't really have a place any more. The 'bullets-kill-quickly' thing makes healing useless, as Pandarsenic said.

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside?

It means whoever gets the first shot off wins, and there's no time to beat them by being better at shooting. I think a major issue for me was that (either through bugs or lag), the hit markers often weren't showing up at all and I had no chance to react.

I still think the game was quite fun; I just don't want to spend £25 on a pre-order any more.

[Oliolli]

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside?

It means whoever gets the first shot off wins, and there's no time to beat them by being better at shooting.

Compare to Red Orchestra: Half the time you don't know where you were shot from, and aroun 30% of the time you spend a life without even seeing a single enemy.

Also, it seems that aim isn't nearly as important as reflexes in BF3 then. But there is one thing that will beat both: tactics. You can not kill what you can not see.

[Tharwen]

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside?

It means whoever gets the first shot off wins, and there's no time to beat them by being better at shooting.

Compare to Red Orchestra: Half the time you don't know where you were shot from, and aroun 30% of the time you spend a life without even seeing a single enemy.

Also, it seems that aim isn't nearly as important as reflexes in BF3 then. But there is one thing that will beat both: tactics. You can not kill what you can not see.

True. I'm not so good at that bit... In my defence though, the Beta map is very linear.

[darkrider2]

[emote]rage at EA for ruining everything they touch[/emote]