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NullForceOmega

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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4395 on: November 05, 2013, 04:16:10 pm »

I could have supported Colin Powell, I'd have voted for that man in a second.  Brilliant mind, excellent on foreign affairs, a little inflexible, but overall an amazing option.  Dubya killed that hard, that administration obliterated any chance that Powell could ever run.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4396 on: November 05, 2013, 05:32:17 pm »

If the Republicans put forward candidates who weren't backwards or jingoistic, they just wouldn't be the Republicans.

this ignores 200 years of history from before 1980

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« Reply #4397 on: November 05, 2013, 06:00:04 pm »

If the Republicans put forward candidates who weren't backwards or jingoistic, they just wouldn't be the Republicans.

this ignores 200 years of history from before 1980
The pre-1980 Republicans do not matter when discussing the party in a contemporary context. Hell, the pre-2008 Republicans don't matter at this point. And the Republicans were not around in 1780.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4398 on: November 05, 2013, 06:54:24 pm »

Yeah, I'm with MSH on this one. I don't think it's reasonable to call the Democrats the Southern party of rich, white bigots anymore, either.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4399 on: November 05, 2013, 06:59:31 pm »

If the Republicans put forward candidates who weren't backwards or jingoistic, they just wouldn't be the Republicans.

this ignores 200 years of history from before 1980
The pre-1980 Republicans do not matter when discussing the party in a contemporary context. Hell, the pre-2008 Republicans don't matter at this point. And the Republicans were not around in 1780.

Those days are dead and gone.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4400 on: November 06, 2013, 05:05:39 am »

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-post-employment-economy-201311373243740811.html

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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4401 on: November 06, 2013, 04:05:58 pm »

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-post-employment-economy-201311373243740811.html

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My God, that article's depressing. I take it with a grain of salt for hyperbole, but the core idea of the piece lines up pretty well with my experience (I am applying to graduate school soon, shooting for my master's degree with an eye toward the pharmaceutical industry.) It also doesn't help that the internships STEM students are expected to take pay shit, and sometimes not at all.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4402 on: November 06, 2013, 05:51:24 pm »

Yeah... pretty much everyone I know is doing work that they find meaningless and unfulfilling, where they're underpaid, overworked, treated like shit, and depressed.  Or they're going to school wracking up debt.  Or they're living with their parents even into their 30s, still looking for work.  I still know only one exception... well... two actually, but the other one successfully fled the country.
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« Reply #4403 on: November 06, 2013, 06:00:54 pm »

Post employment economy, how aptly named.
Quite an eloquant article, laying down the sad facts without being overly provocative.
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« Reply #4404 on: November 24, 2013, 09:29:39 pm »

One foot planted firmly inside the doorway to collapse.

Our way of life needs to change fast.
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« Reply #4405 on: November 25, 2013, 02:02:59 am »

This is one of the things I intend Agora to address- this tendency for people to ignore large, difficult problems. The idea is that Agora will make it possible for large numbers of people to discuss complex, difficult problems like this, and should make the discussion more accessible, leading to greater involvement. That, in turn, should make it easier for us to find solutions, and because more people will be involved in the discussion, more people will work on implementing the solution.
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« Reply #4406 on: November 26, 2013, 06:53:53 pm »

This is one of the things I intend Agora to address- this tendency for people to ignore large, difficult problems. The idea is that Agora will make it possible for large numbers of people to discuss complex, difficult problems like this, and should make the discussion more accessible, leading to greater involvement. That, in turn, should make it easier for us to find solutions, and because more people will be involved in the discussion, more people will work on implementing the solution.
Or they will just start arguing more.

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« Reply #4407 on: November 26, 2013, 08:46:31 pm »

Well of course they will argue more, that's the idea. The important pat is that such arguments produce useful results.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4408 on: January 03, 2014, 07:46:14 am »

Oh hey look, the economy's recovering.  That's what this means, right?  We're all going to see the rise in prosperity really soon!
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #4409 on: January 03, 2014, 07:57:36 am »

What someone else (Muz? I think?) said in life advice: prove your worth, negotiate afterwards your working conditions, and if they don't play ball, hit the road. That's my view of the matter nowadays. Accepting stuff like (as a friend did) signing up for a 50% contract and end up doing more like 150% for the same pay is self-destructive. If you start bending over even dwarves will take a turn at your butt.
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