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[Truean]

We've just gone full circle.  That link was posted on this thread and inspired the conversation you just responded to with that link.

....Occupyception?

Mission Accomplished.

[Nadaka]

Truean... This is not the first time you and I have posted the same article together. This might even be the 3rd or 4th time it has happened between this and the progressive thread.

[Truean]

Truean... This is not the first time you and I have posted the same article together. This might even be the 3rd or 4th time it has happened between this and the progressive thread.

Great minds think alike and I pretend to have done it on purpose? [cough] "knew exactly what I was doing the whole time [cough] [doesn't look suspicious at all...].

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Bill will make wearing face coverings during a riot punishable by up to five years in prison. I wonder why. (This is actually already illegal where I am, in North Carolina.)

[Truean]

Bill will make wearing face coverings during a riot punishable by up to five years in prison.

... those who don't learn from history are ....

This was tried long ago with ski masks; the concern was armed robbery. The American Textile Association, noticing it would dent their wallets, did not like this.

To this day, you can wear ski mask....

Though restrictions on clothing are sometimes viable, for example, if you commit crime in Ohio while wearing body armor, you get a couple years added onto your prison sentence, same thing with a silencer on a gun.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2941.1411

That's more than a little different though.

[lordcooper]

Bill will make wearing face coverings during a riot punishable by up to five years in prison. I wonder why. (This is actually already illegal where I am, in North Carolina.)

Does this include police wearing helmets/gasmasks?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Bill will make wearing face coverings during a riot punishable by up to five years in prison. I wonder why. (This is actually already illegal where I am, in North Carolina.)

Does this include police wearing helmets/gasmasks?

Silly lordooper, police don't have to follow laws.

[Aqizzar]

It's worth noting, it was exactly that kind of law passed in Texas in the 1930's that spelled the beginning of the end for the Klu Klux Klan.  It'd be one of Hell of a thing to try to enforce for this kind of situation though.

I still want to shake the hand of whoever's raking in cash from all those Guy Fawkes masks.

[SalmonGod]

Having anything covering your face in public has been a subject of aggressive crackdown this whole past decade.  I was eating lunch at the mall during Gencon this past year, while one officer on a segway (*snicker*) ordered two different people to remove some face-covering element of their cosplay.

[Nadaka]

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/17/daily-caller-reporter-videographer-assaulted-by-nypd-during-occupy-protests/#ixzz1dzG1g08a

So the NYPD has not only been beating protesters into compliance but clearly identified members of the press.

[SalmonGod]

That's been happening constantly everywhere.  Seriously, there are probably hundreds of proven cases floating around on the web at this point of, not just journalists (especially amateur/indy), but anyone spotted using a cell phone or camera to document anything being singled out by the police.  This isn't unique to Occupy, either.

And it's getting to a point where it's not even unique to protests.  I've seen a couple cases pop up in the last month or so of random bystanders to standard police activity recording it with their cell phone cam and getting targeted for it.  There was one where a guy was in his own home watching a handful of police pull someone over across the street, and cell phone recording it from his living room window.  One of the officers spotted him, pounded on his door, and ordered a confiscation of the cell phone... and the guy hit the button to post the video to youtube seconds before handing the phone over.  I'll see if I can dig that one up.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

One of the officers spotted him, pounded on his door, and ordered a confiscation of the cell phone... and the guy hit the button to post the video to youtube seconds before handing the phone over.  I'll see if I can dig that one up.

Oh, we repealed the Fourth Amendment now?

[LostCosmonaut]

Several years ago, in fact. (See also: PATRIOT act)

[Luke_Prowler]

Strictly speaking, willingly handing it on your own is not a violation of the fourth amendment, it's only if you refuse and they take it anyway (or so I think).

[SalmonGod]

Strictly speaking, willingly handing it on your own is not a violation of the fourth amendment, it's only if you refuse and they take it anyway (or so I think).

Speaking of which, here it is.

It's not exactly as I remembered it.  The guy was recording from in his garage, and did at first refuse to hand over the phone.  Just looking up this video, I saw dozens of other links for similar things happening.

And we've had a big debate over this in Indiana recently.  I've talked about this on this forum before, but it's too relevant not to repeat it anyway.  Judges here ruled that police basically have the power to enter your home and do anything they want, even if it's illegal.  You're not allowed to attempt to obstruct in any fashion whatsoever.  If you do, then YOU are breaking the law, and the officer becomes justified for whatever they're doing.  So the only way to have eventual legal recourse is to allow them to do whatever they want, and then take it to court after the fact.