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[Dsarker]

I'm sorry, not familiar with the language, but 'bean bag bullets'?

[SalmonGod]

I'm sorry, not familiar with the language, but 'bean bag bullets'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_bag_round

[Aqizzar]

I'm sorry, not familiar with the language, but 'bean bag bullets'?

Shotgun shells, but instead of firing metal pellet, they fire a nylon bag of plastic balls.  It's a non-lethal round (unless you get hit in the throat) for taking people down without permanently injuring them.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There's no such thing as a non-lethal round. That's propaganda to make the public feel better, because the accurate term is less-lethal. You can be killed or severely injured  by bean bag rounds just fine.

[Nadaka]

A shotgun shell packed with a smaller than standard powder charge with a project consisting of a fabric bag containing bean or more likely plastic pellets. It won't penetrate flesh but on a direct hit or on an undersized victim can cause severe bruising, broken bones, internal bleeding and lethal organ damage.

[atomicwinter]

I'm sorry, not familiar with the language, but 'bean bag bullets'?

Shotgun shells, but instead of firing metal pellet, they fire a nylon bag of plastic balls.  It's a non-lethal round (unless you get hit in the throat) for taking people down without permanently injuring them.

From Wiki

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A bean bag round can severely injure or kill in a wide variety of ways. They have caused around a death a year since their introduction in the U.S.[2] A round can hit the chest, break the ribs and send the broken ribs into the heart. A shot to the head can break the nose, crush the larynx or even break the neck or skull of the subject. This is why many officers are taught to aim for the extremities when using a bean bag round. A strike in the abdominal area can cause internal bleeding or strike the solar plexus which can disrupt breathing or heartbeat, but such a hit is generally safer than most other areas as well as presenting a larger target than an extremity. Fatalities are occasionally the result of mistaking other shotgun rounds for bean bags.[2]

I've seen them used, they leave nasty bruisers just because they are non lethal doesn't mean they aren't brutal.

[SalmonGod]

Potentially lethal or not, we should all be able to agree that they're major overkill for a group that has been completely non-combative and cooperative to every extent other than dispersing on command.

[sneakey pete]

There's no such thing as a non-lethal round. That's propaganda to make the public feel better, because the accurate term is less-lethal. You can be killed or severely injured  by bean bag rounds just fine.

Lol
Not that being hit by one is a laughing matter...

[SalmonGod]

First-hand account of the Oakland raid this morning.  Note that this guy is not an occupier, and claims he used to be only mildly sympathetic to the movement.  He seems really spooked by the experience.

[ChairmanPoo]

The rubber bullets that were used around here back in the day were larger than that, and had to be shot using special cannons and such. When I was 10 or so, I went to the street after a riot, kept one as a toy.

[Heliman]

Note that this guy is not an occupier, and claims he used to be only mildly sympathetic to the movement.

As I walked away and got into my car, I left as a full fledged Occupier.

[SalmonGod]

Note that this guy is not an occupier, and claims he used to be only mildly sympathetic to the movement.

As I walked away and got into my car, I left as a full fledged Occupier.

emphasis added


So tonight's ugliness has begun in Oakland.  This looks like it might be the first full-fledged confrontation of the movement in America, after over a month of being mostly peaceful.

This is supposedly a live video feed

Another short clip I can't watch

[SethCreiyd]

<lcs>Riot police are Imperial Stormtroopers.  Realization of this is key to enlightenment.</lcs>

The term "non-lethal" is detestably misleading.  Since any weapon by definition is capable of causing serious harm to a person, intentionally or not, their use in subduing another should be accompanied by the awareness of this fact, and ignorance of this is either willful or negligent and results in people dying for no good reason.

So, either these police are fine with the fact that they might lethally injure unarmed men, women and children in the name of following orders, or they lack the proper discipline and restraint to be entrusted with such weapons.  So who's job is it to make sure the police are taking all necessary precautions and ascribing punishment to those who impunely brutalize the people they swore to protect?

There must be some way for the people to stand up for what is right before the powerful and the wrong.  The free nation is ours, and so too the burden of leveling inequity.  If justice remains unserved, the duty is ours to serve it.  Do the research and find your representatives.  Carry dissent to the polls and sweep out chunks of existing governance.

The world is paying attention, speak!

[Osmosis Jones]

Whelp, I think I found out why they cleared all the protesters out of Melbourne last weekend; the Queen came to visit Melbourne today. Can't have the royalty being offended by the unwashed masses after all...

[Heron TSG]

Holy shit, Oakland Police. That's a serious counterpoint to The Albany Police Department's disobedience to the orders that would have had them remove the protesters there.

Without really intending to, and by virtue of being the person most willing to write stuff down and talk occasionally... I'm now in charge of preparing, organizing, and hosting a Move Your Money public event for November 5.  How the heck did that happen?

Also, at 24, I was the youngest person there by at least five or ten years, and way below the average age.  Where are all the hippie chicks I was promised?

That sounds like what happened at Occupy [My Small Town] to me. I'm 16, and asides from a friend of mine I brought along who was 17, everyone else had to have been at least 25-30. Nobody else would speak up, though, so I was voted to be our 'internet ambassador' to the other Occupy groups and various organizing websites, and my friend is in charge of the Facebook, Twitter, and Google+ pages. Funny what taking initiative can get you into...

From what I hear, each of the 20 or so Occupy groups in Washington is selecting a representative (such as myself) to meet up sometime. Well, maybe not Occupy Seattle, we haven't heard from them yet. This should be pretty exciting, I imagine. I'll have to find some way to get myself to the meetings. 

(If there are any. I'm not sure if this is going through yet.)