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Bauglir

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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #900 on: October 24, 2011, 08:40:56 pm »

Y'know, it's interesting. I think the irony doubles back to making perfect sense, almost. Although since Occupy is explicitly peaceful, that bit about killing all the rich isn't really applicable. But the joke is basically that Che's image was hijacked by corporations that wanted to make a profit off of selling "rebellious" merchandise, and now the shirts in question are being worn as part of a protest against those very companies. If any such shirts are, and I wouldn't be surprised. Any movement attracts people who don't think things beyond the most superficial level, which is (presumably) why those shirts sold well in the first place.
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“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #901 on: October 24, 2011, 08:47:58 pm »

Che Guevara is the worst hipster icon. Nothing else even compares.
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« Reply #902 on: October 24, 2011, 08:53:20 pm »

Making it perfect.
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« Reply #903 on: October 24, 2011, 08:54:42 pm »

Y'know, it's interesting. I think the irony doubles back to making perfect sense, almost. Although since Occupy is explicitly peaceful, that bit about killing all the rich isn't really applicable. But the joke is basically that Che's image was hijacked by corporations that wanted to make a profit off of selling "rebellious" merchandise, and now the shirts in question are being worn as part of a protest against those very companies. If any such shirts are, and I wouldn't be surprised. Any movement attracts people who don't think things beyond the most superficial level, which is (presumably) why those shirts sold well in the first place.

Huh, yeah that actually is a lot of irony piled on top of more irony.

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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #904 on: October 24, 2011, 09:04:51 pm »

I wonder how many people are wearing Che Guevara T-shirts to occupy protests... Yeknow, just to double up the irony.

Didn't even occur to me.  Y'know, the whole time this "Occupy" business has been going, I haven't seen Che's machine-stamped mug anywhere, in any picture, or even mentioned.  I think the people going to these things finally figured out the huge joke being played on them.

Guy Fawkes, that one's still catching up on them.
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« Reply #905 on: October 24, 2011, 09:07:06 pm »

Anyone want some stocks in my Guy Hawkes mask and shirt company? I'm thinking Occupy Inc.
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« Reply #906 on: October 24, 2011, 09:09:44 pm »

Guy Hawkes

Best misspelling ever.  That's the perfect name for your company.
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« Reply #907 on: October 24, 2011, 09:13:48 pm »

Che Guevara is the worst hipster icon. Nothing else even compares.
At least Che Guevara was vaguely left wing though, as opposed to a Catholic fundamentalist.
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« Reply #908 on: October 24, 2011, 09:14:33 pm »

Guy Hawkes

Best misspelling ever.  That's the perfect name for your company.

So I'll put you down for a thousand?
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« Reply #909 on: October 24, 2011, 09:17:54 pm »

Che Guevara is the worst hipster icon. Nothing else even compares.
At least Che Guevara was vaguely left wing though, as opposed to a Catholic fundamentalist.
Vaguely? He was a revolutionary communist. That's about as left-wing as you get.

I do still wonder what would have happened had Guy Fawkes succeeded in exploding the hell out of Parliament and James I. His dreams of a Catholic theocracy in England almost certainly would have fell through, but the other historical consequences would be far reaching indeed.

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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #910 on: October 24, 2011, 09:22:44 pm »

Guy Hawkes

Best misspelling ever.  That's the perfect name for your company.

So I'll put you down for a thousand?
So far, I'd say 8 box cars - several hundred thousand, at least.
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“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
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« Reply #911 on: October 24, 2011, 09:28:35 pm »

Got that.

So I found this accounting firm; Madoc, Lehman & Lehman. Sounds legit, I think I'll let them handle our books.

When can I expect your cheques?
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« Reply #912 on: October 24, 2011, 09:32:55 pm »

I triggered them 35 minutes ago.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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« Reply #913 on: October 24, 2011, 09:45:46 pm »

Personally, I'm really tired of the jokes about Che Guevara T-Shirts.  Yeah, it's ironic and such... but people act as if anyone who admires the guy as a historical figure is stupid, just because his image got hi-jacked by merchandise...

Btw, I don't idolize him, but I do respect him.  Especially since I've read the personal accounts of his final hours and they're quite a bit more flattering than this.

and then in the end he hid behind a tree while the last of his troops were killed.

And really... it's just a snarky comment that's been done to death.  Every time I've ever heard mention of the guy's name since I was like 14, someone has to chime in with the obligatory "hey isn't it ironic how..."
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« Reply #914 on: October 24, 2011, 09:55:04 pm »

That's all true, I suppose. The people I aim to make fun of are not people who respect Che Guevara (heck, to an extent, I'm one of them), but rather the people who don't even know who he was but buy merchandise his picture appears on because they associate the image (not the man) with rebellion against authority and nonconformity, because of marketing. Possibly I shouldn't make fun of them at all, but it's such a relatively harmless act of hypocrisy I'm pointing out that it just seems almost necessary. And possibly I overestimate the number that exist, especially today (when Che Guevara jokes are a played-out meme), and am falling into a trap myself.

Still, I'm not tired of them yet, so pretty much all I'll be apologizing for here is the annoyance I've contributed to. That's a serious apology, by the way, not an attempt at "Well, I'm sorry you're offended..." It may not be of great magnitude in my eyes, but the fault does, indeed, lie with me (and others who've been part of the joke).
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
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