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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #345 on: October 13, 2011, 05:55:21 pm »

You guys want these arrests really toned down or perhaps even stopped? Write this word for word on a wide sign, a lot of signs, make it easy to read:

"Dear police officers,
The wealthy 1% even
cut your pay and pension,
I'm protesting that. Join us?
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Tactical:
1.) Use of the respectful word "officer" is key;
2.) It raises questions in the officers' mind of if what they are doing is hurting themselves;
3.) Points out the absurdity of cutting a police officer's pay and then demanding he suppress protests about pay cuts;
4.) Makes you look more legit;
5.) It's kinda funny and will stick with people because of that.

If you win over the police, then there's no one to stop you.... Honestly, what the hell are they gonna do if the police straight up refuse to do shit? Fire them all? And replace them with who exactly? The army? Point out how they're getting shit on and get the soldiers on your side.... Then what?

If you're in Ohio, throw in some "Vote NO on issue 2" signs in there. Issue 2 is the one that screws over police and firefighters.... They'll know what you mean.... Seriously, you're all pretty intelligent, wage a PR war. Get all the information you can about how all the cities are cutting the police department budgets while lowering taxes on the rich.... "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

You are on the disadvantaged side of an asymmetric fight, you have to either avoid, convert, or neutralize your enemy's superior methods. Logistically, conversion is the most efficient method. The other thing you need on your side are the attorneys, because if you get enough of us, we might be able to start snooping around their financial misconduct and turn the police/courts against the 1%. Attorneys go straight for where it hurts: their wallet.The police are following orders but if you convince them that those orders are to march towards their self destruction, they won't....

Review, get police on your side, get army veterans and current soldiers on your side, get attorneys on your side = win.

http://www.fox19.com/story/15660585/local-seniors-to-discuss-voting-no-on-issue-2
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/10/military-veterans-benefits-programs-old-cuts-101211w/
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #346 on: October 13, 2011, 06:40:56 pm »

I love this movement so much:
http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/10/13/343633/wonky-protest-sign-highlights-growing-inequality/

Just the sheer fact that someone would put that on a huge sign speaks volumes about this movement.  It's core motivation is not resentment or ignorance but knowledge that something is really, really wrong.  And it's even better when considered against the infamous tea party "don't get your government hands on my medicare" signs.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #347 on: October 13, 2011, 07:15:05 pm »

I don't get it... because he doesn't have cable, an iphone and only eats out a few times a month, you instantly assume he lives like a machine and has no life?

He says it himself... works 50 hours and still goes to school.  From personal experience:  that doesn't leave time for much else.  I worked 40-45 hours a week and took 4-6 credit hours a semester, and would often give up a couple hours of sleep a night just to do something that wasn't work or school.  I experienced stress-related health problems after only 3 years of this.

You guys want these arrests really toned down or perhaps even stopped? Write this word for word on a wide sign, a lot of signs, make it easy to read:

"Dear police officers,
The wealthy 1% even
cut your pay and pension,
I'm protesting that. Join us?
"

I haven't seen a sign stating this, specifically, but I have seen a lot of attempts from protesters to communicate this to police.  One officer in Indianapolis was spotted throwing up a solidarity sign during a march.

I've also talked with several veteran protestors, and many more who have family in the military, so there is already a strong presence there.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #348 on: October 13, 2011, 07:24:33 pm »

Here, a few months ago, one policeman actually walked into the crowd, got a megaphone, and gave a short speech solidarizing himself with the protesters.

Needless to say he was sanctioned immediatedly
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« Reply #349 on: October 13, 2011, 07:24:47 pm »

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« Reply #350 on: October 13, 2011, 07:31:28 pm »

"Officially," I had nothing to do with this.... [Inconspicuous whistle....]
Unofficially someone may have been a little coached by "someone": "Tear down the tents? But we have all the paperwork in order...." <--- Why you need the lawyers on your side.... We know how to work with the police and cities. Otherwise they will shut you down.
You guys want these arrests really toned down or perhaps even stopped? Write this word for word on a wide sign, a lot of signs, make it easy to read:

"Dear police officers,
The wealthy 1% even
cut your pay and pension,
I'm protesting that. Join us?
"

I haven't seen a sign stating this, specifically, but I have seen a lot of attempts from protesters to communicate this to police.  One officer in Indianapolis was spotted throwing up a solidarity sign during a march.

I've also talked with several veteran protestors, and many more who have family in the military, so there is already a strong presence there.

Yeah, it's a start. You guys need to take notes from historical labor protests and other things of that nature. I won't get on my organization soapbox again, but tactics help. See paperwork argument above. The police cannot legally order them to tear down the tents.... Support network; plan of action.

Here, a few months ago, one policeman actually walked into the crowd, got a megaphone, and gave a short speech solidarizing himself with the protesters.

Needless to say he was sanctioned immediatedly

Because they know exactly how dangerous it is for them if their officers start doing that.... It also has to be more than 1.... A lot more than 1....
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #351 on: October 13, 2011, 07:34:23 pm »

We are the 1%; we stand with the 99%.

Cool to see, although most of them seem to be due-inheritors or people who just have good jobs, rather than necessarily wealthy people.

By the way, if want to furrow your brow for a few minutes - We Are The 53% - because you can always convince one half of the poor to fight the other half.
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« Reply #352 on: October 13, 2011, 07:43:54 pm »

We are the 1%; we stand with the 99%.

Cool to see, although most of them seem to be due-inheritors or people who just have good jobs, rather than necessarily wealthy people.

By the way, if want to furrow your brow for a few minutes - We Are The 53% - because you can always convince one half of the poor to fight the other half.

Counter to that:
"Hello 53%, you paid more than General Electric Corporation and the rest of the 1% in taxes.... There are no jobs to occupy because of the 1%, who are given tax breaks to create jobs, but refuse to.... Also, protests are what you get when you evict, foreclose and fire millions. No home, no job, no hope, no where else to go: protest.... What did you expect?"

http://www.housingpredictor.com/2011/foreclosures-crisis-forecast.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/wrist_slap_l96Tnda1l9YKXsSf0SpdxI
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #353 on: October 13, 2011, 07:51:00 pm »

We are the 1%; we stand with the 99%.

Cool to see, although most of them seem to be due-inheritors or people who just have good jobs, rather than necessarily wealthy people.

By the way, if want to furrow your brow for a few minutes - We Are The 53% - because you can always convince one half of the poor to fight the other half.

Well, at least they're standing up for what (they believe) is right. No one can fault them for that.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #354 on: October 13, 2011, 07:54:26 pm »

We are the 1%; we stand with the 99%.

Cool to see, although most of them seem to be due-inheritors or people who just have good jobs, rather than necessarily wealthy people.

By the way, if want to furrow your brow for a few minutes - We Are The 53% - because you can always convince one half of the poor to fight the other half.
Anyone else thinking "false flag operation" when they read that?
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« Reply #355 on: October 13, 2011, 07:55:59 pm »

Yeah, I'll admit that my education was completely paid for and I have health care through my dad's job.  I'm pretty well off.

On the other hand, that was largely due to never going out for food, spending time with friends, or buying anything new, etc., in my youth.

The kids who get millions of dollars just by virtue of their inheritance kind of disgust me.  I think that what I've had, or even less, was a really good combination of opportunity and lack.  But the "free ride" I'm getting came from both really good opportunities (due to community placement--my family moved out of a very poor area [read: bad part of LA] to a very rich area, with a great education system) and a hell of a lot of hard work, not having a lifetime's funds spat into my lap upon my birth.
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« Reply #356 on: October 13, 2011, 07:59:50 pm »

The kids who get millions of dollars just by virtue of their inheritance kind of disgust me.

You can't fault them for being born rich. :/

It's the same way you can't fault anyone for being born poor.
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« Reply #357 on: October 13, 2011, 08:02:32 pm »

By the way, if want to furrow your brow for a few minutes - We Are The 53% - because you can always convince one half of the poor to fight the other half.

Well, at least they're standing up for what (they believe) is right. No one can fault them for that.

The Hell I can't.  The name itself is part of the problem.  53% percent refers to some (relatively) specious numbers about how many Americans actually pay income taxes.  The response to the "Occupy" guys (and essentially the entire realm of progressive-taxation) that's gaining popularity is pointing to the fact that so many people don't pay any income taxes.  The problem they say, is that the top 3% of income earners make up about 50% of federal tax revenue.  The problem isn't that 400 people have as much combined net worth as the bottom 150 million (which helps explain that federal-revenue disparity), but that those 150 million aren't paying their fair share.

Of course, this completely ignores that most of that 47% are people who have no income and never would (prisoners, the disabled, work-age minors, the early-retired, stay at home parents), people actively looking for jobs and not finding any (officially 9.1%), and people who do have jobs, but make so little money they either don't qualify for the lowest income bracket or qualify for enough tax credits that they wind up owing nothing (including about 1470 millionaires).  Never mind that they still pay Medicare and Social Security taxes, state income taxes, property and sales taxes, and government fees.

Charitably, it's a belief that the real problem in the American tax structure is that we aren't trying hard enough to squeeze blood from a stone.  My opinion, is that they're the same old know-nothings who believe working their asses off for no recognition or proper reward or basic civil entitlements is the "honorable" way of life, and anyone who doesn't is as good as criminal, and have no real concept of how an economy works and can't fathom why 9+% of the population can't find a job like they did.

And people like its founder.  It started with this guy Steve Doocy, who made that Tumblr (I believe his picture is still at the first entry), wherein he says he has "three jobs" and complains about housing prices and such.  His three "jobs" are a blog, a radio show, and being a Fox commentator, which you can imagine pays pretty well.
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« Reply #358 on: October 13, 2011, 08:02:45 pm »

So the top executive of the corporate division that I work for visited my office tonight.  I just finished listening to him talk for about 20 minutes about how successful the company has been the past year and all the growth that's happening.  He threw in a couple obligatory comments of "Thanks for all your hard work" in there...

Yeah... I feel soooo appreciated...

A few people on my shift were daring each other (especially me) to say something.  None of us had the guts.
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« Reply #359 on: October 13, 2011, 08:04:02 pm »

The kids who get millions of dollars just by virtue of their inheritance kind of disgust me.

You can't fault them for being born rich. :/

It's the same way you can't fault anyone for being born poor.

But you can fault them for not being grateful and giving something back.  I have had a lot of opportunities in life and I am grateful to society for that.  I do volunteer work and I am trying to find a productive career instead of one that just pays well.

All of us have an obligation to society but those who came from a lucky background have a doubly large one.  Those in the top 1% owe nearly everything to society and should act like it instead of like self righteous assholes.
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