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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #765 on: October 19, 2011, 08:55:47 am »

In Europe "libertarian" normally refers to old-school anarch-communists//collectivists
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #766 on: October 19, 2011, 11:28:05 am »

Well, I can't identify myself as a libertarian anymore. I'm not as hardcore as complete anarchy though, so...  What am I? The right already had conservatism, why do they have to take libertarian too...
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #767 on: October 19, 2011, 11:42:22 am »

Well, I can't identify myself as a libertarian anymore. I'm not as hardcore as complete anarchy though, so...  What am I? The right already had conservatism, why do they have to take libertarian too...

Just reject the labels and don't call yourself anything.  If you identify yourself as a particular label you can fall into the trap of blindly agreeing with whatever that side says.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #768 on: October 19, 2011, 11:56:21 am »

Well, I can't identify myself as a libertarian anymore. I'm not as hardcore as complete anarchy though, so...  What am I? The right already had conservatism, why do they have to take libertarian too...

Just reject the labels and don't call yourself anything.  If you identify yourself as a particular label you can fall into the trap of blindly agreeing with whatever that side says.

I think I'm safe enough from that. My ideology is pretty strong, and I'm very skeptical of hypocrisy, so I always question anyone, especially if they identify themselves as possibly having a similar ideology.

However, it can give others a poor impression of me, so... Yeah. I guess I'll just have to drop labels.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #769 on: October 19, 2011, 12:49:53 pm »

In Europe "libertarian" normally refers to old-school anarch-communists//collectivists
Whoa. Don't go generalising all of Europe like that.
In the Land of Poles they're considered minarchist-capitalists.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #770 on: October 19, 2011, 12:53:14 pm »

Having labels is nice, it means you won't have to think as much about what you really want. "I just want... what that guy says we want", or something.

Anyone got a label for me?

Whoa. Don't go generalising all of Europe like that.
In the Land of Poles they're considered minarchist-capitalists.
In the Land of the Nethers as well. I especially don't like how they confuse "freedom for real people" with "freedom for corporations".
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #771 on: October 19, 2011, 01:22:55 pm »

Anyone got a label for me?
I've been thinking something like "Contrarist" would work.  Someone who is adamant that he cannot agree with anyone ever or he's being weak.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #772 on: October 19, 2011, 01:32:50 pm »

Anyone got a label for me?
Extreme karma-ist? That is, the idea that everything that happens to you comes back down to you in the chain of responsibilities.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #773 on: October 19, 2011, 01:45:12 pm »

If you identify yourself as a particular label you can fall into the trap of blindly agreeing with whatever that side says.

It can also give people a decent enough impression of what your beliefs are when necessary, without having to get into an hour long conversation describing them.  As in "This is the closest label to what I believe, though I kinda disagree with such and such aspects."
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #774 on: October 19, 2011, 03:35:55 pm »

Well, I can't identify myself as a libertarian anymore. I'm not as hardcore as complete anarchy though, so...  What am I? The right already had conservatism, why do they have to take libertarian too...

Possibly because there is already a term for a left wing believer in personal freedom who doesn't go to anarchist levels.  The term is "liberal".
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #775 on: October 19, 2011, 03:42:01 pm »

Well, I can't identify myself as a libertarian anymore. I'm not as hardcore as complete anarchy though, so...  What am I? The right already had conservatism, why do they have to take libertarian too...

Possibly because there is already a term for a left wing believer in personal freedom who doesn't go to anarchist levels.  The term is "liberal".
Which in classic usage, refers to a believer in limited government and free-market prosperity as the solution to societal ills. See the "Liberal Party" in Australia, which is in fact their conservative party.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #776 on: October 19, 2011, 03:59:25 pm »

Well, I can't identify myself as a libertarian anymore. I'm not as hardcore as complete anarchy though, so...  What am I? The right already had conservatism, why do they have to take libertarian too...

Possibly because there is already a term for a left wing believer in personal freedom who doesn't go to anarchist levels.  The term is "liberal".
Which in classic usage, refers to a believer in limited government and free-market prosperity as the solution to societal ills. See the "Liberal Party" in Australia, which is in fact their conservative party.

Right wing conservative party. Labour is our semi-central conservative party. Greens are our left wing radical group, and tend to have no particular agreement on any issue, except ones which are about the environment.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #777 on: October 19, 2011, 04:21:06 pm »

Which in classic usage, refers to a believer in limited government and free-market prosperity as the solution to societal ills. See the "Liberal Party" in Australia, which is in fact their conservative party.
Yup. For most of the world, liberals are righters.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #778 on: October 19, 2011, 04:30:24 pm »

Which in classic usage, refers to a believer in limited government and free-market prosperity as the solution to societal ills. See the "Liberal Party" in Australia, which is in fact their conservative party.
Yup. For most of the world, liberals are righters.
Wait? When did conservative get synonymous with the right anyway? Over here (Netherlands) we've got center conservatives and far right conservatives...
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #779 on: October 19, 2011, 05:30:07 pm »

I've been thinking something like "Contrarist" would work.  Someone who is adamant that he cannot agree with anyone ever or he's being weak.
That's... no, not at all. Damn, just did it again, didn't I? ;)
I even told mainiac he was right and I wasn't, at some point. That should count. Being wrong rules, it means you've learned something new.

Extreme karma-ist? That is, the idea that everything that happens to you comes back down to you in the chain of responsibilities.
Perhaps, but karma implies some kind of external balance, or balance in general. I just think everyone is responsible for their actions, and the results of those actions.

In local politics, I tend to float between the intellectual, green and liberal parties, but none of them really catches my fancy.
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