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[Scelly9]

The only good part of that is that he was fired.

But right before that he got 8 FUCKING MONTHS of vacation, while still being paid.

[DJ]

And I can understand he probably went through quite a bit after becoming internet infamous.

However much he went through, it wasn't enough. He deserves to have people point fingers at him and boo wherever he goes, for the rest of his life.

[SalmonGod]

Part of me wants to agree, but another part knows that's not right.  No one's entire life should be defined by something they did once.  He definitely deserved a good long period of shaming after what he did.  I would say it's even right that he be made to think about how he would feel about his family being pepper sprayed the same as he did to those protesters.  I wouldn't go so far as death threats or constant harassment.

I just want police to be subject to the same legal standards as anyone else.

[alexandertnt]

However much he went through, it wasn't enough. He deserves to have people point fingers at him and boo wherever he goes, for the rest of his life.

I dont think revenge is a good way to go about anything. Ontop of that, what if he suddently turns into a really nice guy in 5 or 10 years, should he then continue to have that same punishment?

But why the hell does he get 8 months paid leave? I want 8 months paid leave. Maby I should go around and cause physical pain and discomfort to defenceless students.

[Sheb]

I think it's standard procedure during an investigation: you don't want a possible violent cop on the streets, but then leaving someone without income for months on end is pretty bad if it turns out he's innocent. I guess the right way to do it would be to have him pay the cash back if he's found guilty of whatever.

[SalmonGod]

I think it's standard procedure during an investigation: you don't want a possible violent cop on the streets, but then leaving someone without income for months on end is pretty bad if it turns out he's innocent. I guess the right way to do it would be to have him pay the cash back if he's found guilty of whatever.

I don't understand why it takes 8 months to perform an investigation on an event that was recorded in its entirety from about 50 angles, and contained no subtle elements to begin with.  He literally held one person's mouth open and sprayed the stuff down his throat.  Under what circumstances that could possibly be excusable is entirely fucking beyond me.  Why it would take 8 months to determine that (but then say that even though that was wrong, he wasn't actually wrong) even more so.

[Sheb]

Get a comitee to investigate this, look at what orders he got, go on vacations, arrange a meeting of the comittee in Florida, decided to form a sub-comittee to plan the meeting, forget a meeting, spill tear gas on the paperwork and starting again...


No, it's still ridiculous.

[Scoops Novel]

I'd appreciate the links to agent provocateurs/sabotage when you can get them to me, Salmongod. If anyone else can contribute I'd be grateful.

[GlyphGryph]

Are you actually interested, or are you just trying to make a point? Since our good friend google seems quite willing to give up the goods, and you've left no indication that you've reviewed any of those sources, or had any problem with them and reason to believe we'd have something more substantial for your purposes, I'm assuming it's the second, but I don't know what point you are trying to make. In case it's the first...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=provocateurs+occupy

[Scoops Novel]

It is the first, and there are dozens and dozens of cases available. The point of the post is to find cases that stand out, in case i need to discuss this and i need a poignant example. I recall Salmongod describing a particularly interesting and large-scale case in this thread, including surveillance of local leaders, and i was hoping his memory is better then mine. Otherwise, if there are any in particular that someone would like to mention, I'm asking after that.

[SalmonGod]

I think you're referring to a report I've linked several times in the NSA thread.  Just do a search for "occupy" within that thread, and it should show up quite prominently.  It does mention infiltration by law enforcement agents quite a bit.  I still haven't read through the whole report myself, though.  Just like 2/3 of it.  It's long.

[Scoops Novel]

Thank you.

[Scoops Novel]

I was surprised to see the extent of the open record/freedom of information requests ceded to as part of their sources, here. Are they regularly unlawfully denied or forged?

[SalmonGod]

I honestly don't know how he managed to get so many requests granted so quickly on such a touchy subject.  He must have something up his sleeve to have been able to pull that off.

[GlyphGryph]

Finding a sympathetic judge who didnt like it any more than he did?