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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #285 on: October 10, 2011, 05:48:43 pm »

Glenn Beck goes beyond parody so often.  I mean, seriously, I would've believed that as a satirical article.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #286 on: October 10, 2011, 05:52:38 pm »

Or maybe he's just a troll.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #287 on: October 10, 2011, 05:53:58 pm »

Late night show host Jimmy Kimmel was on Reddit today, and this was what he had to say about Occupy Wallstreet. I think it's extremely relevant.

"What is your opinion on the Occupy movement?"

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« Reply #288 on: October 10, 2011, 06:05:57 pm »

Let's get back on point, eh?  Glenn Beck is keeping it classy.

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They will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you. They will do it. ... If you’re wealthy, they will kill you for what you have. You cannot tolerate this kind of stuff. You certainly do not encourage it.

Isn't that the desired end-result, anyway? I don't think the kind of large-scale change these people are advocating can be achieved at all in the short term, and their best hope is that the target of their ire (which is kind of specious at the moment) opens up a channel for dialogue, or they actually go into revolt. Which won't end well, but it won't look too good internationally, and the protestors will have to be placated.
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #289 on: October 10, 2011, 06:53:14 pm »

Let's get back on point, eh?  Glenn Beck is keeping it classy.

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They will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you. They will do it. ... If you’re wealthy, they will kill you for what you have. You cannot tolerate this kind of stuff. You certainly do not encourage it.

Isn't that the desired end-result, anyway? I don't think the kind of large-scale change these people are advocating can be achieved at all in the short term, and their best hope is that the target of their ire (which is kind of specious at the moment) opens up a channel for dialogue, or they actually go into revolt. Which won't end well, but it won't look too good internationally, and the protestors will have to be placated.

Okay, forgive me if I'm misinterpreting your words here - and I certainly hope I am - but it sounds like you're saying that "give us what we want or we kill all the rich old white guys" is desireable?
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« Reply #290 on: October 10, 2011, 07:12:17 pm »

Let's get back on point, eh?  Glenn Beck is keeping it classy.

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They will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you. They will do it. ... If you’re wealthy, they will kill you for what you have. You cannot tolerate this kind of stuff. You certainly do not encourage it.

Isn't that the desired end-result, anyway? I don't think the kind of large-scale change these people are advocating can be achieved at all in the short term, and their best hope is that the target of their ire (which is kind of specious at the moment) opens up a channel for dialogue, or they actually go into revolt. Which won't end well, but it won't look too good internationally, and the protestors will have to be placated.

Okay, forgive me if I'm misinterpreting your words here - and I certainly hope I am - but it sounds like you're saying that "give us what we want or we kill all the rich old white guys" is desireable?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Rich old white guys are the cause of all American society's problems, and you should kill them and take their stuff.

Of course not. :P

Change "desired" to "logical", maybe? If as many people are as angry as I've been led to believe, the only way this'll end is in violence or appeasement. If they don't get appeasement, they will have violence, and while they won't be literally killing people and taking their stuff, something close might be happening.
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« Reply #291 on: October 10, 2011, 07:28:48 pm »

Let's get back on point, eh?  Glenn Beck is keeping it classy.

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They will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you. They will do it. ... If you’re wealthy, they will kill you for what you have. You cannot tolerate this kind of stuff. You certainly do not encourage it.

Isn't that the desired end-result, anyway? I don't think the kind of large-scale change these people are advocating can be achieved at all in the short term, and their best hope is that the target of their ire (which is kind of specious at the moment) opens up a channel for dialogue, or they actually go into revolt. Which won't end well, but it won't look too good internationally, and the protestors will have to be placated.

Okay, forgive me if I'm misinterpreting your words here - and I certainly hope I am - but it sounds like you're saying that "give us what we want or we kill all the rich old white guys" is desireable?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Rich old white guys are the cause of all American society's problems, and you should kill them and take their stuff.

Of course not. :P

Change "desired" to "logical", maybe? If as many people are as angry as I've been led to believe, the only way this'll end is in violence or appeasement. If they don't get appeasement, they will have violence, and while they won't be literally killing people and taking their stuff, something close might be happening.

I wouldn't even really go that far. 'Probable' maybe, but This is the U.S., not Syria. Nobody is going to viciously gun down the protesters here just for peacefully demonstrating (unless they shoot first) so I would hardly call violence on their part 'logical'.
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« Reply #292 on: October 10, 2011, 07:35:07 pm »

Let's get back on point, eh?  Glenn Beck is keeping it classy.

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They will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you. They will do it. ... If you’re wealthy, they will kill you for what you have. You cannot tolerate this kind of stuff. You certainly do not encourage it.

Isn't that the desired end-result, anyway? I don't think the kind of large-scale change these people are advocating can be achieved at all in the short term, and their best hope is that the target of their ire (which is kind of specious at the moment) opens up a channel for dialogue, or they actually go into revolt. Which won't end well, but it won't look too good internationally, and the protestors will have to be placated.

Okay, forgive me if I'm misinterpreting your words here - and I certainly hope I am - but it sounds like you're saying that "give us what we want or we kill all the rich old white guys" is desireable?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Rich old white guys are the cause of all American society's problems, and you should kill them and take their stuff.

Of course not. :P

Change "desired" to "logical", maybe? If as many people are as angry as I've been led to believe, the only way this'll end is in violence or appeasement. If they don't get appeasement, they will have violence, and while they won't be literally killing people and taking their stuff, something close might be happening.

I wouldn't even really go that far. 'Probable' maybe, but This is the U.S., not Syria. Nobody is going to viciously gun down the protesters here just for peacefully demonstrating (unless they shoot first) so I would hardly call violence on their part 'logical'.

Wait, violence on whose part? The protestors, or the protested?
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Re: Occupying Wallstreet
« Reply #293 on: October 10, 2011, 07:36:13 pm »

No, they won't viciously gun down protesters, but they will viciously beat them and dispense copious amounts of pepper spray for no adequately explained reason. That is a step or three above shooting, I'll be the first to say, but it's not exactly an acceptable response.
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« Reply #294 on: October 10, 2011, 07:40:25 pm »

On the part of the protestors.
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« Reply #295 on: October 10, 2011, 10:32:45 pm »

Some are simply hoping for reforms.

However, I've heard sentiments from many protesters acknowledging that the only reason the 1% have power is because the 99% obey them.  I think most are hoping that we can resolve this peacefully by simply ceasing to obey and starting over on our own terms.  I've heard a few people say that they know it's unrealistic to expect it to happen exactly that way, and there will be a fight eventually... but not anytime soon.

These are the people I personally agree with.

One late-middle aged guy who seemed very educated and experienced with activism gave a long speech while I was attending Occupy Indy in person, and said he felt like this was the modern successor to the first general convention of the early u.s. colonies, which was a nice sentiment.
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« Reply #296 on: October 10, 2011, 10:53:29 pm »

Maybe he thinks we're having a french revolution repeat, only with wealthy people getting the guillotine instead of nobility.

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« Reply #297 on: October 11, 2011, 11:01:10 am »

Civil war! Civil war! Civil war! Civil war! Civil war!
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« Reply #298 on: October 11, 2011, 11:31:54 am »

I have some small hope that things get better before it comes to revolution.

The problem is that the plutocracy do not have a problem using violence and warfare to gain profits.
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« Reply #299 on: October 11, 2011, 02:35:53 pm »

Maybe he thinks we're having a french revolution repeat, only with wealthy people getting the guillotine instead of nobility.

Or maybe he's just being Glenn Beck. Yeah, probably that.

 Isn't Glenn beck rather wealthy as well, so that just adds to his madness :\.
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