Random sidenote I just thought of: If the mysterious killer is a serial killer pretending to be a vigilante, if you guys mislynch on me today, there is literally no way for town to win unless the SK kills the scum and you guys lynch the SK the next day.
Let's hope it's a vigil.
Alright. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt here.
Who's this mysterious killer, and why?
And why do you think they haven't claimed vigilante yet?
Check out the first post. Vigil and SK are both possible roles.
There were 2 night kills, so we have once of them in this game.
Vigilante is a pretty safe thing to claim because you can kill anyone who would counter claim. It's either that the vigil doesn't want to be killed by the mafia, or that the person is a SK. If they're an SK, then it's MYLO today, unless scum kills SK.
If anyone's got a vig claim, it would help.
Also orangebottle I was thinking of some hypothetical situations while walking the dog.
Let's assume in these situations I get lynched as a result of your argument.I'm also assuming that running an aggresive campaign against someone, which you are doing to me, is scummy if they turn out to be town.1.
I'm scum, you're town. You win.
2.
I'm town, you're scum, 3rd guy is vigil. Running a very aggresive campaign against someone who ends up being town would raise a lot of suspicion against you. If the vigil doesn't kill you, the last day will be 2 town and you, unless the vigil doesn't kill for whatever reason, if they're allowed to. You can win, but it doesn't seem likely to me unless everyone wants you alive for something, because if I get lynched it'll be your fault. The scum in this situation would prolly not be lynched or vig killed because there's not much suspicion toward Jim/Native/Urist/Urist
3.
I'm town, you're scum, 3rd guy is SK. SK are forced to kill in many setups, i'm assuming that. If he misses you, the final day will be him, you, and one town, meaning you win, unless you kill him at night. You have a better chance of winning than if this is a vigilante.
4.
I'm town, you're town, 3rd is vigil. This is pointless and your fault for lynching me. If the vigil misses the scum, it'll be you, another town, and a scum. Suspicion will probably be high on you for lynching me, a town. You probably lose.
5.
I'm town, you're town, 3rd is SK. If the SK kills the scum, town has a chance to lynch him last day. If SK kills a town, mafia wins. You probably lose.
6.
I'm town, you're vigil. This situation will not happen because you're wondering why vigil hasn't been claimed. If you ARE the vigil, good luck finding the scum, you'd have to shoot him during the night, or town would be suspicious of you for getting a town killed. Scum in this situation is prolly someone like jim or one of the urists and is unlikely to get lynched because there's not much suspicion to them.
7.
I'm town or scum, you're SK You're trying to kill the scum so you have a chance at winning. To have a chance to win you have to get him lynched today or kill him at night tommorow. If you don't get him killed, last day will be you, a scum, and a town if the scum doesn't kill you at night. Scum outnumbers town, they win.
8.
I'm vigil, you're town. I'd just claim vigil so town would know there's not an SK. If i'm really vig, next day is MYLO.
9.
I'm SK. I'd be unable to claim vigil, scum would kill me. If you're scum, you win unless you get lynched the next day. If you're town, you have to deal with a MYLO.
If no one claims vigil, someone is prolly a killer. This leaves situations 1,3,5,7,9 unless we get a vig claim. I'm assuming SK has to kill like in many setups. (I know epicmafia forces killer to kill and it's generally beneficial to kill)
In situation 1, you win.
In situation 3, you're scum, and you'd be going for me because i'm the easiest to lynch and you're trying to get a town or the SK lynched. If this situation is true, if the SK is suspicious of you you're screwed. You win if the SK kills town, unless you kill the SK at night, making the final day 2 town and you. It's a toss up.
In situation 5, you lose unless SK gets lucky and kills the scum. Not likely. You probably lose.
In situation 7, you have to lynch the scum today, or have to pick correctly out of 4 night targets, AND not have the scum target you. Not likely. You probably lose.
In situation 9, looks good if you're scum. Otherwise, bad.
So because these situations look pretty bad for you, besides 1, I say we put our argument on hold and look at other people, you need to lynch the correct person today to win.
Now, the reason I did all this?
Normally i'd be willing to sacrifice myself if it means we get the scum but until we get a vig claim, there's an SK. It's MYLO unless scum finds the SK. I can't afford to let myself die.
In the situations where you're scum or SK, you have a really good reason to lead the lynch today. SK needs to get the scum to have a chance. Scum needs to attract attention on other people.
In the situations where you're town, why would you be so desperate to get the correct lynch today? You've been hounding on my ass the whole day no matter what I say, ignoring every other person. At least examine them.