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MaximumZero

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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2011, 03:15:12 pm »

I wonder what they would see in the mind of a lucid dreamer whilst said subject was asleep?
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2011, 03:17:03 pm »

I wonder what they would see in the mind of a lucid dreamer whilst said subject was asleep?
Either Garry's Mod interfaces/experiments (at least how I'd add an interface for the hell of it, or abuse the hell out of reality), or a living Rorschach test (see earlier thought as to why). Parodies of life experiences and movies would also be included maybe. And for the hell of it, especially if aware of being recorded:

On the off-chance, you might even catch a Freddy Kreuger snuff film with him as the star victim.
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2011, 03:18:07 pm »

I used to joke that I wished I could record the images that I picture in my head....IT WAS A JOKE, YOU GUYS!

Like the author, I'm simultaneously excited and terrified of this.

Add to that the recent development of bullet-resistant skin by dermal layering of spider silk, and I'm beginning to think life is resembling a game of Shadowrun.
Do me a favor and rig the droid to protect my meat-self while I deck into the dream verse.
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2011, 03:29:54 pm »

The horror you witness is YouTube.
And yet, I am not surprised.
Visual Free Will in action. I just noticed at least 5+ videos are blended with every other clip translated. It's like a visual dance mix of Youtube.

The (air)plane turned into a plane (land). The black kid (with stethoscope) inexplicably turned into a white version of himself kid on a webcam. An old woman turned into a young man. The mind is strange; and makes you wonder about the subject(s) tested.

We gotta play a game of "Spot the difference" with the video. This can get interesting.
It seems to be related to image association and the way the software works. At one point, the clip is of Steve Martin standing in a particular pose, wearing a medal around his neck. Subject 3's primary "posterior clip" is of Adam Savage standing in a very similar pose, with a convention badge around his neck. This image dominates the "reconstructed" image, down to the text on Adam's t-shirt being in the reconstruction. What I'd be curious to know is, does that mean that the subject's subconscious is relating the two images, or is it simply that similar attributes in the images cause similar "memory locations" in the brain to fire, so that what the software picks up is "Hey, this Adam Savage image is a 98.5% match in neural activity to the current state", so that forms the primary template for the image, and then all the other similar patterns are overlaid on the image with decreasing strength?

That's a neat idea if that's how it works, but it doesn't say much of anything about the test subjects. Though it does maybe say something about how our brains process details and kinesthetics.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2011, 05:38:02 pm »

I noticed that. Also funny how each person that is seen is replaced by a different person every second or so (is that the same subject swapping the person by different ones, or different subjects that have been edited in the same video?).

In some cases even the gender of the person seems different.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2011, 05:41:40 pm »

Okay, the science itself is spooky enough, even if it is really cool.

Those "reconstructed" clips are goddamn terrifying.  I'm chalking this up to the inaccurate and experimental nature of the process, as opposed to the idea of that hideous video being raw, unfiltered braintalk.
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2011, 05:46:45 pm »

Those "reconstructed" clips are goddamn terrifying.  I'm chalking this up to the inaccurate and experimental nature of the process, as opposed to the idea of that hideous video being raw, unfiltered braintalk.

I thought this too. Quite scary!
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2011, 05:49:02 pm »

I noticed that. Also funny how each person that is seen is replaced by a different person every second or so (is that the same subject swapping the person by different ones, or different subjects that have been edited in the same video?).

In some cases even the gender of the person seems different.

What if the thought is just 'person'?
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2011, 05:50:26 pm »

With this hurdle finally out of the way of humanity we can finally make advances previously thought impossible.

 We might one day develop a non-corrupt politician.

If one pops up next year, then the world ending the month after might gain a little more credibility. But we'll probably just be able to stop it by then anyway by firing pure !!SCIENCE!! at it.
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2011, 05:58:03 pm »

The horror you witness is YouTube.
And yet, I am not surprised.
Visual Free Will in action. I just noticed at least 5+ videos are blended with every other clip translated. It's like a visual dance mix of Youtube.

The (air)plane turned into a plane (land). The black kid (with stethoscope) inexplicably turned into a white version of himself kid on a webcam. An old woman turned into a young man. The mind is strange; and makes you wonder about the subject(s) tested.

We gotta play a game of "Spot the difference" with the video. This can get interesting.
It seems to be related to image association and the way the software works. At one point, the clip is of Steve Martin standing in a particular pose, wearing a medal around his neck. Subject 3's primary "posterior clip" is of Adam Savage standing in a very similar pose, with a convention badge around his neck. This image dominates the "reconstructed" image, down to the text on Adam's t-shirt being in the reconstruction. What I'd be curious to know is, does that mean that the subject's subconscious is relating the two images, or is it simply that similar attributes in the images cause similar "memory locations" in the brain to fire, so that what the software picks up is "Hey, this Adam Savage image is a 98.5% match in neural activity to the current state", so that forms the primary template for the image, and then all the other similar patterns are overlaid on the image with decreasing strength?

That's a neat idea if that's how it works, but it doesn't say much of anything about the test subjects. Though it does maybe say something about how our brains process details and kinesthetics.

This is basically what I saw. The horrible black evilness is really our brains doing pattern recognition to associate what we see with the closest possible memory match. The fact it looks crazy is because that's how fast our brains are processing all our data in mili-seconds. Which is also why when our brains get lazy, we have poor recall and make quicker assumptions, because it's doing less cycles of comparison before coming to a "satisfactory" conclusion.

People, get ready for it. The full interface between the human brain and machine code is on the way. We still have to get through the hurdles of trinary and quaternary systems...but we're getting close.
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2011, 07:38:48 pm »

Two wildly differing insights on this:


1.) This technology will inevitably be used for evil.

2.) The clips captured from people's thoughts here are suprisingly accurate to the predictions in the movie Minority Report about what such images would look like.
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2011, 07:45:19 pm »

1.) This technology will inevitably be used for evil.
Which reminds me, I gotta add more stuff to the Bay-12 RPG not allowed to do list.
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2011, 08:34:01 pm »

People, get ready for it. The full interface between the human brain and machine code is on the way. We still have to get through the hurdles of trinary and quaternary systems...but we're getting close.

I would pay for this technology. With money. Legal tender, even.
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2011, 08:52:46 pm »

I'm serious, this hearlds the beginning of a new era of 
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Re: Scientists vizualise thoughts
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2011, 09:01:18 pm »

People, get ready for it. The full interface between the human brain and machine code is on the way. We still have to get through the hurdles of trinary and quaternary systems...but we're getting close.

Brain uploading is the future!
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