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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #120 on: September 23, 2011, 10:31:36 am »

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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #121 on: September 23, 2011, 11:19:15 am »

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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #122 on: September 23, 2011, 11:50:52 am »

So, when I first read about this, I was like, okay, so why is this valuable at all? I'm like a severe layman, so my science talk crap may be wrong, but...

Neutrinos have Small but Non-Zero mass, right? The key word here being small.
So you really don't have any ability to generate thrust with them. We are still restricted to the speed of light.

Then I thought about it and the wave collapse function, and any practical use. It is worthless to send data, but it can provide data compression or definition to data based on "pulses" in the combination of the light streams. You still have light speed communication since the data requires the contact of the lightstreams, but you can then execute Morris code sort of data transmission, providing possibly the ability to ride additional data down the "pipe" or send a different kind of data compression on that basis. Pretty worthless, but there might be some kind of application in a informational sort of way for data compression. I don't think it'll ever be worthwhile to do so, but I won't rule it out.

This put me on the mind of communication though. Neutrinos come in multiple flavors, which this experiment was supposed to do a little discovery about.
Assuming superluminal neutrino speed is possible, and that there is a way to determine what flavor of nutrino we have arriving at a long distance, and that it is expected of any civilized race who survives the development of the Nuclear Age to know this information, what does it mean for extraterrestrial communication?
We may not be seeing any extraterrestrial intelligent communication because perhaps Radio Waves isn't the way it's done!

So yea, there's my crackpot theory out of this. It'll be proven wrong soon, but it was fun to come up with it :)
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #123 on: September 23, 2011, 12:45:59 pm »

Neutrinos go faster than light. So put a big old tank in Paris and one in LA, then put emitters in both places, pump the bitstream through the emitters, and walla, no more light speed lag. If they're really going at 25 million C, then we could talk to Alpha Centauri in 5.5 seconds.

I'd call that a practical use.
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #124 on: September 23, 2011, 12:57:54 pm »

You mean voila, right?

Also, this thread is relevant to mah interests.
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #125 on: September 23, 2011, 01:12:04 pm »

Neutrinos go faster than light. So put a big old tank in Paris and one in LA, then put emitters in both places, pump the bitstream through the emitters, and walla, no more light speed lag. If they're really going at 25 million C, then we could talk to Alpha Centauri in 5.5 seconds.

I'd call that a practical use.
Don't know where the 25 million figure snuck into things. Everything I've been reading says closer to 1.0000048c. So we could talk to Alpha Centauri maybe 10 minutes faster than light-speed communication.
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #126 on: September 23, 2011, 01:14:03 pm »

So, it would still take us 4 years and some months. Better than we have now.
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #127 on: September 23, 2011, 01:15:12 pm »

So, it would still take us 4 years and some months. Better than we have now.
Yeah, but not by much. And the technology required is massively more complicated than a radio-wave transmitter/receiver.
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #128 on: September 23, 2011, 02:12:12 pm »

Communication potential is nothing next to computation. Set up a 32- or 64-channel transmitter on Earth and somewhere else far away, hook it up to a computer (required speed depends on how much of a gap you have), use it to pass steps in an equation back and forth until finished. Instant answers to everything. Problem, entropy?
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #129 on: September 23, 2011, 02:31:45 pm »

The problem is that it would then spit out 42 to whatever you asked. No, that won't do at all.
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« Reply #130 on: September 23, 2011, 02:35:54 pm »

Or even give you the answers to questions you hadnt even asked yet, meaning that then to prevent the unverse dissapearing up its own asshole you would have to ask a question specifically to get the answer you had already been given. Techincally, this means that the machine would be controlling the unvierse, and I for one welcome our new FTL machine overlords.

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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #131 on: September 23, 2011, 02:37:09 pm »

Maybe CERN just increased the speed of light. Somehow. Someone should probably go measure some light and make sure that isn't the case.
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #132 on: September 23, 2011, 02:41:11 pm »

Maybe CERN just increased the speed of light. Somehow. Someone should probably go measure some light and make sure that isn't the case.
I just did. It's still really fast.
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #133 on: September 23, 2011, 02:42:21 pm »

Maybe CERN just increased the speed of light. Somehow. Someone should probably go measure some light and make sure that isn't the case.
You can do that yourself, if you have a GPS. If it's suddenly off, then we accidentally the entire speed of light. I doubt it is though :P
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Re: CERN has accidentally the everything.
« Reply #134 on: September 23, 2011, 02:42:36 pm »

Idea that I might have to go away and look at in more detail...

Neutrinos moving faster than c... according to relativity, wouldnt this make thier mass a lot more than it "should be"? If so, does this make them possibly contribute to dark matter? Probably not all of it, but still, there is a lot of them out there.
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