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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2011, 04:34:20 am »

I know this is going to go against the grain, but since there was literally zero information about this guy other than "extremely drunk", you basically just got him in trouble with the residence hall, stuck him with a paramedics bill, all because you have zero experience with drinking. The fact your RA didn't know any better either just kind of makes this whole thing look overblown by people who have never partied. Most people that get extremely drunk puke, and go to bed and learn a valuable lesson when they wake up.

Unless this dude was about to die of alcohol poisoning, if I were him, I'd be pretty pissed. Then again, I knew how to drink and not die long before I got to college.

But I just want to echo what others have said. "Drunk/High" =/= dying, horrible person, dangerous person. If you want to get through college without getting a reputation as a prude who is impossible to live with, you might want to start learning how to deal with people who don't live like you do. Or get yourself a single dorm room.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2011, 11:29:50 am »

I see no need to be so defensive, Nenjin. He made a mistake, but he was only concerned about the man’s health.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2011, 12:20:20 pm »

The paramedics part may simply have been university policy. Some campuses, RIT included, call themselves 'dry campuses' in which no alcohol is allowed (going off campus and getting drunk is fine, but not on campus), and I know for our university in particular the policy if you are caught drinking is to ship you off to the hospital even if you are very mildly drunk. RAs, at least at RIT get training specifically for dealing with drunks/drug users, so they were most likely following procedure; having someone die on your university's campus due to alcohol is not a good selling point for the university and as such they are going to be as overly cautious as they can. Additionally, if the person in question is underage and they aren't at least sent to the hospital, it looks really bad for the university. The policies are there to at least have deniability if something really bad does happen ('student was going against safety policies and hiding it from us, we can't be held accountable for keeping them safe'), as well as hopefully discouraging at least a little bit of it. I will also add that if his condition isn't reported to the RA, you may be the one held at least partially liable for anything bad that does happen, which is not a situation you want to be in.

Worst case scenario, your roommate starts staying over at whoever's apartment it was they got drunk at since coming back drunk results in stomach pumping, leaving you free of any sort of liability or vomit.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2011, 02:24:52 pm »

I see no need to be so defensive, Nenjin. He made a mistake, but he was only concerned about the man’s health.

While concern for a person's well being is admirable that doesn't actually mean that the best course of action is to get the authorities involved when there's no real indication anyone is in anything approaching danger.  Frelock and Nenjin here are the only ones who actually responded with reasonable, compassionate responses that aren't simply "He drank alcohol, ergo, he must also be a drug addict and a criminal, you need to cut him out of your life ASAP' type reactionary insanity. 

So yeah, Shawtay's probably going to be in for a real awkward conversation whenever his roommate shows up.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2011, 04:07:08 pm »

Frelock and Nenjin here are the only ones who actually responded with reasonable, compassionate responses that aren't simply "He drank alcohol, ergo, he must also be a drug addict and a criminal, you need to cut him out of your life ASAP' type reactionary insanity. 

I said no such thing, you'll find. You might disagree with whether my response was reasonable, but I certainly didn't argue that he was a drug addict, or a criminal (well, technically, he is, but not with regards a law I respect much), or needed to be cut out of his life ASAP. And I'd be very interested to hear a definition of "compassionate" that involves doing nothing when you're the only other person in the apartment with somebody who's passed out in the restroom from alcohol, you have no idea how much he actually drank, and you've had no experience with drunk people to begin with and therefore aren't qualified to judge whether he's just passed out and going to be fine, or in need of medical attention.

I agree that what I said about acetaminophen was overly dire, and it arose from a foggy memory of a class and a (possibly flawed) understanding that painkillers are a pretty common choice when suffering from nasty alcohol side effects, although in retrospect by the time somebody wants painkillers the alcohol's usually pretty much gone anyway. I don't think that's what you were objecting to, though.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2011, 04:08:30 pm »

While concern for a person's well being is admirable that doesn't actually mean that the best course of action is to get the authorities involved when there's no real indication anyone is in anything approaching danger.

I never made any assertion to the contrary. In my post, I acknowledge that he may have made a mistake.

Frelock and Nenjin here are the only ones who actually responded with reasonable, compassionate responses that aren't simply "He drank alcohol, ergo, he must also be a drug addict and a criminal, you need to cut him out of your life ASAP' type reactionary insanity.

MetalSlimeHunt was the only person to suggest that people who drink alcohol are addicts and criminals. A thorough review of everyone’s posts will reveal that no one else has never verbally questioned the character of Shawtay’s roomate; I do not know if their discussion was factual, and I do not know if it was “reactionary insanity”, but they did not say what you are telling me they said.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2011, 11:09:20 am »

These situations are easy to handle. As someone who has had to baby sit and once drank 70cl of Vodka and had to be baby sat, basically:
If they need to be sick, get them to the toilet.
Force some water and food down them. Drunk people are usually quite happy with this.
Talk/Wrestle them into their bed.
If you have an easy-to-wash bucket or similar, put it next to their bed for them to at least try to be sick in if worse comes to worse.

Funny story about that 70cl of Vodka:
I was mixing it with orange juice and red bull and had a pleasent buzz when I was half way through it. I poured myself a shot of the vodka and since I knew I was about at my limit (hadn't ate much that day) I said to myself "I'll start drinking water after I do this one last shot". It is at this point that my memory ends xD Apparently I did not take my own advice and downed the rest of the bottle -_-

It's sometimes remarkably easy to overshoot your limit by accident if you had a less-filling-than-usual dinner that day, or have lost weight since the last time you drank,  are trying a new drink (I once did a shot of absinthe whilst sitting down. I felt perfectly fine, and after a bit of time I did another. I still felt perfectly fine. I then tried to stand up which...didn't work, had to get a friend to get me a glass of water whilst I regained myself xD). Especially if you combine two or more of those.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2011, 12:29:44 pm »

oh absinthe, how you took away years of my life, and yet i cannot bring myself to hate ye.

about these situations being easy to handle, well, they're not. the things you described are simple, but they're a chore. one get's pissed when he has to do it for a friend, let alone for a person one doesn't have any emotional attachment to.

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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2011, 01:39:27 pm »

Let me give you my perspective. I went to college at 21, years after graduating high school and living like a legal adult. I'd already lived away from home, lived alone, lived with roommates and had experiences as someone who is solely responsible for my own behavior.

When people were, for the first time in their lives, going to bars like it was magic...I'd already had my fill and had zero interest in drinking, keggers or frat parties. I saw many things and did many things that kids just getting out of high school and going straight to college had zero experience with.

Down to even simple things like "Gosh, I've never not lived in my parents house and had a curfew." I had to ask people more than once, at 4am, to please pipe down while playing Halo 2 and not to be so damn loud.

I felt like an adult surrounded by a bunch of highschoolers who had just been taken off the chain.

My first roommates. Pair of friends. Decent guys, younger than me. We got along mostly. Why did I end up getting new roommates?

Because one night, one of them thought it was kosher to bring a girl back to the room at 2am, while me and the other dude were asleep, and bang her not more than 20 feet away from me, and 5 feet away from his roommate. Ever listen to two people fuck when you're not part of the equation, like it's happening at the foot of your bed?

You think drunks are bad? Man you don't even know.

I didn't report them to the RA, even though I easily could have. I asked him simply not to do that anymore, and of course he objected because he was a thoughtless dickhead with a childhood friend at his back. He'd just successfully had the quintessential "getting laid in college" experience, after all. So I requested a new room, instead of narcing him out like part of me really wanted to. Because even though I was pissed for several reasons....I couldn't deny him his right to life. That'd make me the asshole, ultimately.

My second roommate was a preternaturally quiet Christian who made zero noise, spent only 1/3rd his time in the dorm and eventually was rarely seen at all, until I left the dorms. And even HE didn't like having a roommate. We had perhaps the most cordial non-friendship relationship you can have with a roommate, and his discomfort was obvious to me from day 1. Because he'd a) never lived out of home and b) had never had to share his space with a stranger.

People come to college at different levels of life experience. And if it's one sense I got from many of the posts, well-intentioned or not, is that many of them have never lived on "the other side of the tracks" of life experience. Which isn't their fault. But they should remember that college is a place far-removed from the non-alcoholic, clean-living days of high school (lulz). If you managed to make it through highschool having never partied or even gotten to know people that party....college is where it happens.

Like I said initially. We don't really know. Maybe he did save this dude's life. But on the flip side, I imagine me or just about anyone else I know, getting in trouble with the residence hall (which may cost him his academic status, it happens) and the drama of paramedics and the cost and all that.....if I weren't dying, I'd want someone's ass. I was a good partier, I kept my life out of my roommate's life as much as possible. And this is one instance where I think the OP inserted THEIR life experience into this guy's life. And that....from someone who has had a grip on what they're doing to their body since they were 13, would make me really, really, really angry.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2011, 05:24:27 pm »

That's reasonable; my own response here was primarily based on two things. First, that I wasn't there to judge the situation accordingly and have no idea what I'd consciously look for. Second, that the OP implied pretty strongly that he wasn't qualified to tell the difference between "going to wake up with a hangover" passed out and "not going to wake up" passed out. The latter is far, far less likely to happen, especially if the roommate was able to vomit properly (sounds like yes) and wasn't doing something incredibly stupid (but just went past his limit in the course of ordinary college drinking).

It's just not a risk I'd be willing to take on somebody else's behalf, is the thing, and by coming home like that the roommate would seem to have forced that decision on the OP. If he'd earlier said something to make clear that he knows what his limits are, or otherwise said that he definitely doesn't want medical attention unless it's very clear he's dying or something, that'd be a different thing, but in the absence of information I have to advise that the safest course be taken.

That's just the thinking that led to suggesting getting outside help, anyway. I am sure it's far from fallible, but eh.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2011, 05:30:32 pm »

I would much rather live with a roommate who tried to save my life when they thought I might be dying than one who feared my anger more than they valued my existence.  Just saying.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2011, 06:30:38 pm »

I would much rather live with a roommate who tried to save my life when they thought I might be dying than one who feared my anger more than they valued my existence.  Just saying.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2011, 06:35:58 pm »

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Just saying.

When it could get you kicked out of not only your dorm, but your college as well? This isn't some cozy 2 bedroom apartment...it's a structured environment with rules, penalties and a lot of money tied up in it. I'm not going to go the "rules are rules" route because it's not relevant to what people will actually do, which is experiment and break the rules.

College is one place where you live no more than 30 feet away from a total stranger because you have to. And when I picture the same sort of "well I don't really know" situation when this guy is high, babbled some stupid stuff before he passed out on his bed....? It sounds like a case of "wasn't your business buddy" to me. We'll never know unless he comes back to fill us in on what came out of all this.

But having been a 150 pnd light weight who has drank to extremes....there's a sharp difference between "drunk as hell" and "unconscious in a pool of your own vomit." You don't need any basic life experience to sort those two out. People that can get out of their own puke will. People that can't are probably dying.

If me valuing their personal privacy over my need to feel like I "took action" makes me the bad guy, I can live with that.
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2011, 07:33:23 pm »

Between being dead and being kicked out of college, yes, I would rather be alive.  Surprising, huh?
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Re: Roomate's drunk...
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2011, 07:40:27 pm »

If me valuing their personal privacy over my need to feel like I "took action" makes me the bad guy, I can live with that.
Saying that doing anything is just so somebody can feel like they've "taken action" is about as accurate as saying your response is because you don't care whether people live or die.

When you don't have enough information to diagnose the situation effectively, you plan for the worst case that fits the information you do know, until you can get more information.

EDIT: That's how I try to do things, anyway.
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