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[ulan]

So I heard chain mail gives better coverage, so generally with iron and steel I have only made chain mail
But now I just hit a rich vein of candy, so assuming this nice resource is limited I want to get this right
breastplates or chain mail?

[EveryZig]

Both. That is a thing you can do.

[DrKillPatient]

You can have dwarves wear both. Assign the chain mail before the breastplate and they'll put the mail under the plate. If you want to use only one, I've also heard that mail shirts cover quite a lot more than breastplates. Not sure if a breastplate is stronger because it's more rigid...

And technically, because of adamantine's shear strength and perfect rigidity, an adamantine mail shirt is actually like a wearable cheese grater. Thankfully it doesn't work like this in-game...

[Girlinhat]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_BREASTPLATE]
[NAME:breastplate:breastplates]
[ARMORLEVEL:3]
[UBSTEP:0]
[LBSTEP:0]
[SHAPED]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:20]
[LAYER_PERMIT:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:9]
[HARD]
[METAL]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_MAIL_SHIRT]
[NAME:mail shirt:mail shirts]
[ARMORLEVEL:2]
[UBSTEP:1]
[LBSTEP:1]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:15]
[LAYER_PERMIT:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:6]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_ALL]

From the raws, a mail shirt will cover the upper arms, upper body, and lower body.  Breastplate will cover the upper body only, but they lack elasticity, and I believe this makes them harder to penetrate.  They both have 100 coverage, and the layer only matters for stacking clothes.

If you only have 1 bar, make a mail shirt.  If you have spare, make both.  A dwarf can wear up to 3 mail shirts plus a breastplate.

[franti]

I give a leather shirt/pair of pants, then as much mail as I can cram on. I'd rather have 2 mail shirts than a mail shirt and a breastplate. They're worthless. Mail Shirts are like turtlenecks. Breasplates are spaghetti straps.

[BeforeLifer]

Breatplates also cover the Lower body. And Mail shirts also can cover the upper legs too. But I think that the [STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_ALL] token in them makes them more vunrible to a spisfic type of attacks? Maby we can test this by making another mail shirt with the same stats but by removeing the [STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_ALL] token and then counting the number of peiceing/slashing/blunt attacks that get through? Time for !!SCIENCE!!

P.S. Ill be testing this shortly and ill post the results both here and on a seperate page.

[Urist Da Vinci]

Breastplates and greaves protect better against blunt attacks, because they distribute the load and don't flex. They can even protect against falling damage sometimes (test it for yourself in the arena if you want to see this happen!).

[AWdeV]

Go the whole hog and give them quality steel everything. Steel greaves, steel high boots, 3 steel mail shirts, a steel breastplae, steel gauntlets, steel cap, steel helm and you're ready to go.

How many caps can be worn at a given time anyway?

[FrisianDude]

Add some cloaks, preferably leather. AfaIk they also give throat defence.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I remember reading that CC's insanely low weight makes for bad mail shirts. Makes sense, less inertia and all.

[Gizogin]

I remember reading that CC's insanely low weight makes for bad mail shirts. Makes sense, less inertia and all.

I've heard similar things.  CC chainmail cannot absorb blows nearly as well as other, more common materials can, due to its low weight.  I suppose it's better than nothing, but for maximum protection I would go with CC breastplate and iron/steel chainmail.

[Corneria]

We need some testing done on that weight claim.

[franti]

I remember reading that CC's insanely low weight makes for bad mail shirts. Makes sense, less inertia and all.

I've heard similar things.  CC chainmail cannot absorb blows nearly as well as other, more common materials can, due to its low weight.  I suppose it's better than nothing, but for maximum protection I would go with CC breastplate and iron/steel chainmail.

Bronze Mail.
Denser, and easier to aquire than Steel. Plus, when it's implemened, it won't rust.

[Urist Da Vinci]

I remember reading that CC's insanely low weight makes for bad mail shirts. Makes sense, less inertia and all.

We need some testing done on that weight claim.

Mail has the [STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_ALL] token, so it will not protect well against blunt attacks. However, a CC mail shirt is better than a steel mail shirt at stopping/converting edged attacks.

[Melissia]

So essentially when equipping a new melee militia (IE not marksdwarves), give them chainmail early on, and then later you can work on a standard uniform of plate to go over it?