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Leafsnail

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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2011, 05:33:07 pm »
So all mummies and people found at the bottom of peat bogs are saints too?
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2011, 05:36:32 pm »
It is miracle enough that it has survived for over twelve centuries with no preservation.


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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2011, 05:43:35 pm »
Natural preservation happens, especially in cool or arid climates. Futhermore, the materials could have been treated in a manner that slows decomposition at some point during the twelve centuries it has been around.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2011, 05:54:35 pm »
Then why didn't they detect it in the tests?
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2011, 05:54:58 pm »
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on September 17, 2011, 05:43:35 pm
Natural preservation happens, especially in cool or arid climates.

Good thing it's not a area classified as a Humid subtropical climate then. Otherwise it would seem you would just throw out arguments other then look for reasons why it can't happen.

Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on September 17, 2011, 05:43:35 pm
Futhermore, the materials could have been treated in a manner that slows decomposition at some point during the twelve centuries it has been around.

Indeed it is also a good thing no one has ever studied it.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2011, 05:59:12 pm »
Quote from: Dsarker on September 17, 2011, 05:54:35 pm
Then why didn't they detect it in the tests?
I'm not sure exactly what tests they performed, outside of a blood test.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2011, 06:03:46 pm »
So basically whoever guards that relic replaces it every now and again?

Although I'm actually seriously struggling to find this article at all (the link you gave has no text at all).  I'm downloading something Wikipedia claims is the article.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2011, 06:04:16 pm »
That could be true, except that it has been carbon dated to the right time.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2011, 06:05:05 pm »
Source please?

Uh... can anyone here speak Italian?  Or does anyone know a good way to turn scanned pages into text?  I've got the paper but obviously I can't understand it.

No wait it's got a bit in English I'm fine.  There's absolutely no mention of carbon dating anywhere.  The closest is "The electrophoretic picture of the serum of the ancient Blood has presented aspects coincidental with ones provided by fresh serum".  I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2011, 06:08:43 pm »
I believe there is a translation running around somewhere. I can't claim that I've seen it or if it is accurate, however.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2011, 06:12:08 pm »
I've got the translation (well, translated summary) and there's no mention of carbon dating or anything of the sort.  If we take this rather dodgy looking paper completely at face value all it proves it that they had someone's heart.

Incidentally it has possibly the worst Wikipedia article ever written on it.  Bad enough to make me consider becoming an editor just to clean it up.
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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2011, 06:37:34 pm »
Quote from: Leafsnail on September 17, 2011, 06:12:08 pm
Incidentally it has possibly the worst Wikipedia article ever written on it.  Bad enough to make me consider becoming an editor just to clean it up.

Not the worst I have seen, but yeah needs a neutral tone. Or rather deleting all the uncited claims.
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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2011, 07:30:13 pm »
And checking the reliability of all the citations it does have.  4 of them are broken, 1 of them patently made up and the last is extremely doubtful.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2011, 08:39:27 am »
Don't discuss he existence of god, just the ethical aspects.

To me it seems that there are two side : those who would choose blissful ignorance over hell, and those who would choose hell over... well, for me over abandoning those who are in hell and in a sense betraying them. I mean I would go into eternal bliss and leave them to cook? That seems incredibly selfish.
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Re: A little dilemma
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2011, 08:40:46 am »
So the choices are: one person in eternal bliss or no-one in eternal bliss?
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