Shakerag:Which posts to support those points? Well, 1) is, like, all of them
You can still provide one as an example. The closest he's come or furthest he's been might be good ones.
@IronyOwl: I ... was ... am pressing Mindmaker?
Really? Let's see:
He's done nothing to help the town side. He's been responding defensively, and has poor justification for his actions. He's scum, and I would like to see him hang.
How does this pressure him? You let him know you want him dead and roughly explain why, but you don't ask him anything directly and you don't give him any reason to think your opinion of him might change. Where does the panic come from? Where does the new data come from? If you're not
accomplishing anything, it's not really pressure.
Yes, I'd like to find his partner, but Jim was ragging on my ass earlier about trying to call the scumteam ... "Calling scumteams tends to work out very badly for the town. ... Just look at each player individually, and judge each player individually."
Nowhere does he say "ignore other players until your current target is dead." You're not
doing anything with Mindmaker except discussing your presentation on him with Jim, and you're not doing anything at all with anyone else. Do you feel you're accomplishing as much as you could be right now?
I don't think Mindmaker is lurking, he's got a number of posts. If he was disinterested or busy ... then he wouldn't be posting.
What about active lurking, then? What is it about his uselessness that screams "scum" rather than "lazy" or "busy" or anything else?
I think his vote was scummy because he had done nothing for four days prior, and then suddenly decided to vote on mipe9. Everyone was looking askance at mipe9 right about then, so I'm sure he thought it wouldn't look strange to be hopping on.
That's backwards. If you already know he's scum, this perfectly explains why he did that. If you're trying to figure out whether he's scum or not, it only helps if that's the
only reason he'd possibly act like that. So I'll ask you again: What was it about his mipe9 vote that seemed like scum hopping on a bandwagon rather than town hopping on a bandwagon?
Well, Jim can piss and moan about this all he wants, but I'm still going with my intuition there. It was too crazy of an act for scum to try in a beginner's game
Ehhh, kind of. There are cases where someone can act so badly that it seems highly unlikely that they've got a team (and in this case, personal IC), but making ironclad, blanket assumptions tends to end incredibly badly at some point. Don't assume that just because you were right this time you'll always be right, or even that you were right for the right reasons.
For instance, consider the basic premise- that it was "too crazy" for scum to do. Then... why would town do it? What benefit do they get out of it? If your whole argument is "scum wouldn't do this because it'd be bad for them," then it's pretty ridiculous to say that they're town either. More specific details, like having a teammate, can make this sort of reasoning actually plausible, but you're still just making it
more likely that someone would or wouldn't do something under certain circumstances.
Secondly, and more simply, if only town would do X, it's automatically something scum might do as well to look town. If your reasoning was sound, wouldn't it be an excellent scum ploy, and exactly the sort of thing a scum IC might recommend?
and I have to think the scumteam was looking at that scene as a gift from heaven, because it would be very easy to mislynch mipe9 after something like that. So anyone jumping on mipe9 (and/or trying to get other people to weigh in on him) were certainly candidates for investigation.
This is good reasoning. "Investigation" has to mean "scumhunting," however, not just noticing that they're useless, declaring them scum, and sitting around until they die.