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[kaijyuu]

DrPoo, learn how to use this:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tact


Then you might avoid these situations.

[Bauglir]

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She's being "hostile" because you attempted to justify the use of FAS as an insult by referring to autism. There's no way it's reasonable to claim that implying somebody has FAS is an insult because FAS causes things like autism without also claiming that autistic people are worthy of being insulted for being autistic. So even if your intent wasn't ultimately to insult autistic people, that is still a necessary conclusion of what you said.

Now, the thing is, that's an easily forgivable mistake, but you probably should acknowledge that it was an error. Your comparison to the girl in your class was a) unwarranted and b) really just makes you look worse, since I begin to suspect that the girl in question has more reason to dislike you than you're letting on.

Vector's irritation isn't "unreasoned", but I suspect your defensiveness is.

That you didn't mean to be insulting doesn't excuse the fact that you were, any more than that you didn't mean to drive your car into a department store excuses the fact that you did (hypothetically, obviously). It does change how we should react, and may change whether or not somebody can legitimately continue to be upset (I mean, the severity of the error here is far from the car-crashing-into-building scenario), but the least you could do is apologize for an error.

[Doomchild-]

It was just a creative insult, i have heard somewhere that alchohol shits up the fetus causing a wide variety of different flavors of autism and mania.

Oh, so we're using "autistic" as an insult, now?

Thanks.  Thanks a lot.

Also, you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself, so you might want to stop about now.

on top of that: autism isn't caused by alcohol abuse during pregnancy, it's genetic afaik. if you're going to start making claims, at least get your facts straight. someone linked to the wiki page for FAS, maybe you should start there.

I dont like unreasoned hostility

meant to or not, that comment was offensive so Vectors hostility is not unreasoned
it's also not just an insult to autistic people but also their mothers... and noone insults my mother 

as kaijyuu mentioned, you could do with some more tact

[DrPoo]

Ok ok you win. I just shut up. I dont want to do a huge game of wiki golf whenever i post anyway.
Sorry for having an opinion and attempting to participate in a discussion.

Inb4 troll accustations and diagnoses flying everywhere.

[Phmcw]

Calm down everyone, he lacked tact but wasn't trying to agreviate anyone.
The insult he used was something like "alcohol soaked foetus" which would rather cause severe deformity, mental retardation and death, but it was only to call bullies retards.
Of course we could discuss the morality of using "retard" as an insult, but he is taking a slightly too heavy blame for what he wrote.

[Bauglir]

No, no, having an opinion and participating in discussion is fine, admirable, and in general an awesome thing. Kudos, for speaking up about it! That's not what you've been criticized for.

[DrPoo]

DrPoo, learn how to use this:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tact


Then you might avoid these situations.

I was born without tact.. Cant do much about it, i just fail. The most friends i made are people who want my knowlegde, like today some guy on SS13 tortured me with chrmicals and called me a fail something,untill i told him that i knew the recipe for poly acid..

[Bauglir]

Okay, and that's fine. The number 1 rule, if you have difficulty figuring out what's socially acceptable, is to accept that and plan accordingly. Be willing to apologize if you err, especially if you have difficulty coming up with a reply that isn't insulting to the person you think is overreacting. I don't think you're any worse a person for having difficulty navigating social customs (Zeus knows I have enough problems there myself), and perhaps that spiel I typed up was overly harsh as a result.

Basically, what I'm saying is that, if you don't have an intuitive grasp of tact, that's okay. You're bound to make mistakes, but that's all they are. You can usually apologize for not recognizing the implications of what you said, or that somebody would be offended, and then just move on. After all, if it was a mistake (and that is, I think, what you're saying; that you didn't intend to insult people for being on the autism spectrum, and just made the comparison without considering every possible implication), there's no need to defend it, right?

[The13thRonin]

Good riddance. Hopefully after a few more people get jailed for such offenses the minority of people on the internet who get their jollies by messing with other people will learn to grow the fuck up.

[Realmfighter]

Good riddance. Hopefully after a few more people get jailed for such offenses the minority of people on the internet who get their jollies by messing with other people will learn to grow the fuck up.

Please.

have you seen how well this worked with piracy?

[jc6036]

Seriously. I don't really see this as any sort of wake up call to trolls. Plus, this was straight up personal harASSment . I see trolling as going onto forums and message boards and messing with people, Often using stereotypes and such, instead of using personal information to cause mental pain. But that's just a personal definition, I'm sure the actual one includes all types of harassment over the 'net.

[Neonivek]

Seriously. I don't really see this as any sort of wake up call to trolls. Plus, this was straight up personal harASSment . I see trolling as going onto forums and message boards and messing with people, Often using stereotypes and such, instead of using personal information to cause mental pain. But that's just a personal definition, I'm sure the actual one includes all types of harassment over the 'net.

The problem is mostly that the man wasn't jailed for trolling.

He was jailed because he trolled and the kid commited suicide.

Which I have a serious problem with. If a crime doesn't warrent a charge if no harm comes to pass then it wasn't worthy of a charge after the fact.

Honestly it has been worse. Verbal Schoolyard bullying has lead to court ONLY because the kid commited suicide. Honestly people...

[Leafsnail]

Well no, he was harrassing the families of people who had died and slandering them.  Suicide doesn't come into it at all (except that one of the people who's families he harrassed had committed suicide, but that was nothing to do with him).

[Neonivek]

Well no, he was harrassing the families of people who had died and slandering them.  Suicide doesn't come into it at all (except that one of the people who's families he harrassed had committed suicide, but that was nothing to do with him).

Ohh... well then what the heck does this even gain the attention of the board?

A person commited constant harassment, people caught on... the end.

It just goes to show that I REALLY should just assume what a topic is about and should read up on it.

[Leafsnail]

I like the way you've completely contradicted yourself.  From "It's irrelevant whether someone committed suicide or not" to "Oh, noone committed suicide?  Then clearly it's not important".