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Total Members Voted: 84

[DeathsDisciple]

@Everyone who does not believe the video/never watched it:
Show me the damn law. So simple. Just the damn law. Post a link. And not a article that says its real, the exact section of the law.

According to the text of the Constitution available on the Senate's website...

Amendment XVI (1913)

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
      

In 1895 the Supreme Court had declared a federal income tax law unconstitutional. This amendment reversed that decision and authorized a tax on income.

Read this:
http://www.bigbooster.com/paths/irs-illegal.html
And this:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24154

The Point:
16th Amendment. was not legally rationalized and it does not specifically say the IRS is legal.

EDIT: not ninja'd

[Pistolero]

That doesn't make sense... employee rights are more protected in a labor shortage, than in a labor surplus. The more people there are looking for jobs, the more competition, and the lower the benefits to the work. On the other hand, if there were somehow a labor shortage, then businesses would be competing for workers, raising wages to the maximum level where a profit can still be turned.

If you're talking to me, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[Aqizzar]

Read this:
http://www.bigbooster.com/paths/irs-illegal.html
And this:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24154

Show me the damn law that says the IRS is illegal. So simple. Just the damn law. Post a link. And not a article that says its not legal, the exact section of the law.

There is not a single thing on either of those websites that actually says anything about real law.  There are chapters of the legal code that enumerate taxes.  There are websites and books whose entire argument is that those chapters do not exist.  You'll have to do slightly better.

[Criptfeind]

BUUUUUT AQIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAR: ACORDING TO ONE JUDGE WHO MENTIONED INFORMALY HE THOUGHT HE READ SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT MAKES IT INVALID BUT STILL THINKS IT COUNTS BECAUSE OF HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN WORKING IT IS INVALID!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

ALSO EVERYONE KNOWS LAWS DON'T COUNT IF YOU DON'T USE A PHOTOCOPIER (Made widely available 46 years after the 16th amendment) THERE FOR NO IT DOES'T COUNT NOTAKESYSBACKSYS

Negotiations should be the sole regulator of employee rights.

Do you understand what happens to the price of something when there is too much of it? It bottoms out. Do you understand that there needs to be too much labour in the economy? With 100% employment, inflation hits a feedback loop. If you want one to one negotiations to be the sole regulator of employee rights, you want to be a serf, paid subsistence so you can survive, barely. Whatever education, skills, or training you have will only make it more likely that you can keep your position, it won't raise your standard of living, since there is always someone ready to step in and do it cheaper.

Piffff

1: It would not happen

2: He is special and would be a lord

3: No your face.

[Leafsnail]

I'm gonna have to say that Death's Disciple is trolling.  Or maybe his arguing style genuinely involves randomly googling for articles/ videos vaguely relevant to his point and asking his opponents to waste their time reading/ watching them (when he hasn't).  Either way it's clearly pretty pointless to debate with him.

[Eagle_eye]

well, perhaps it's time for a new topic?

What's with the link between political ideology and global warming belief?

[DeathsDisciple]

Read this:
http://www.bigbooster.com/paths/irs-illegal.html
And this:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24154

Show me the damn law that says the IRS is illegal. So simple. Just the damn law. Post a link. And not a article that says its not legal, the exact section of the law.

There is not a single thing on either of those websites that actually says anything about real law. 

Exactly. There is no law. It doesn't exist.

[Vector]

… We're confiscating property now. … That's socialism. It's written into the Communist Manifesto. Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what's happening to him

OP, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

[Aqizzar]

Exactly. There is no law. It doesn't exist.

Now I know you're just trolling, but this is pretty fun.

[DeathsDisciple]

well, perhaps it's time for a new topic?

What's with the link between political ideology and global warming belief?

Global Warming is Liberal Propaganda. The Earth heats up and cools down naturally.
That is my opinion.

[Vector]

All right, you're trolling.  Have a good evening.

[Bauglir]

I really don't buy this. Do you have evidence that the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified? Do you have a citation of a law (an actual law, not an article; you're to be held to the same standard of evidence that you demand) that clarifies the Taxing and Spending Clause of the Constitution (linked to Wikipedia for convenience, you can easily look it up elsewhere if you take issue with the source for some reason), specifically banning income taxes? The clause grants broad powers of taxation; under it, any tax may be passed by Congress. The Amendment specifically protects income taxes.

It doesn't necessarily have to be in the Constitution, it just has to be Federal (Supremacy and all that), since specifically forbidding income tax would only be a clarification to the Taxing and Spending Clause (which doesn't specifically mention income tax one way or the other), AND you would have to prove the 16 Amendment to have been incorrectly added. That is the precise level of evidence you need. Nothing less is acceptable, because we can provide everything less in support of our own position.

Oh, lord, confiscating property = communism? Let me introduce you to my friend, Eminent Domain. Actually, I'll let you do the legwork on that.

[Pistolero]

1: It would not happen

2: He is special and would be a lord

3: No your face.

OK firstly, ow my face! Secondly, he might be

Everyone who currently is living off and growing their investments would be a lord. If you don't need to work now, you would have even less need to work in an economy where workers have no protections, since, as I mentioned, wages would reduce to subsistence levels, which in turn would increase the returns on your investments. So if he lists his current occupation as 'self employed' but doesn't actually have to do anything except call his fund managers and yell at them occasionally to feel productive, yeah, he will be a lord

[Leafsnail]

Global Warming is Liberal Propaganda. The Earth heats up and cools down naturally.
That is my opinion.

I never knew Liberal Propaganda was a proper noun.  Is there some organisation that has to certify something as Liberal Propaganda before it counts?

[Eagle_eye]

The conservative crime squad, of course...