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[Ordokai]

Consider 'omg what kind of person would willingly kill someone in a game', 'omg what kind of person would go to the movies to see people getting killed', 'omg what kind of person would enjoy reading about people getting killed' and the like

oh wait...

People who oppose this are ignorant hypocrite mooks of the highest order with no sense of logic.

How can we discuss this with a straight face even though violence, killing and drama (usually as a result of said violence and killing) is THE most popular form of entertainment on the planet in the form of books, movies, news or games. We as a society revel in the suffering of others.

[Zangi]

It may be the most popular 'visible' entertainment of the 'civilized' world, but I got no statistics to back that statement up.

[a1s]

What really gets me is that after the US abolished slavery, most of the world followed suit.

See, you'd think that, wouldn't you? But as it turns out US was one of the last 'civilized' countries to abolish slavery completely.

1335 Sweden
1416 Republic of Ragusa (Croatia)
1588 The Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
1569-ish England most definitely doesn't have slavery. The colonies on the other hand...
1723 Russia abolishes outright slavery. Abolishes a much lighter serfdom (sefs had many legal rights (though were still 'second class' citizens), owned property and had to work for their liege only part of the time, or in the 19 century often just paid rent, like tenant farmers) in 1861.
1761 Portugal
1794 France. Back in 1806 for several colonies.
1804 Haiti
1807 Prussia
1810 Mexico (on paper)
1811 Spain and most colonies
1814 Uruguay
1822 Greece
1823 Chile
1824 The Federal Republic of Central America
1829 Mexico (actually)
1830 Uruguay
1831 Bolivia
1833 British Empire. All of it.
1846 Tunisia (not even a "civilized" country, BTW and still before the American south)
1848 Denmark
1848 Slavery abolished in all French and Danish colonies
1851 New Granada (Colombia)
1852 The Hawaiian Kingdom
1853 Argentina
1854 Peru
1854 Venezuela
1855 Moldavia
1856 Wallachia
1865 United States
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1873 Puerto Rico
1882 Ottoman Empire
1886 Cuba
1888 Brazil
1880s-1920s All of South East Asia except, ironically...
1959 Tibet. By the "oppressive" Chinese communists no less. (<sarcasm> Way to oppress them with schools, roads and hospitals, China! </sarcasm> Not that there weren't separate problems that China caused all on it's own.)

No one wanted another civil war in their hands, atleast in the Western countries.

Actually slavery was only one of a number of issues in that war, such as disputes over import tariffs, and the increasing power of the centralized government. In fact 3 slave owning states were part of the Union. Abolition was really more of Lincoln's personal crusade, and could have been postponed for another decade had Douglas won instead of Lincoln.
European nations, that had very low slave-to-freemen ratios to begin with, had no real fear of slave uprisings. What worried them were nationalists and later socialists . Neither were particularly fueled by former slaves (slaves were intentionally mixed from all over Africa to have no common culture (actually what they were going for was that slaves would have no common language other than that of their "masters"), and the ranks of socialists were mostly filled with urban workers, while freed slaves tended to remain rural) .

[Grakelin]

Consider 'omg what kind of person would willingly kill someone in a game', 'omg what kind of person would go to the movies to see people getting killed', 'omg what kind of person would enjoy reading about people getting killed' and the like

oh wait...

People who oppose this are ignorant hypocrite mooks of the highest order with no sense of logic.

How can we discuss this with a straight face even though violence, killing and drama (usually as a result of said violence and killing) is THE most popular form of entertainment on the planet in the form of books, movies, news or games. We as a society revel in the suffering of others.

While I agree with the foundational idea of "Opposing this because it involves something we as a society oppose is silly", your angle is off. Few people want to see somebody actually get raped, but lots of people enjoy West Side Story. Only deviants want to see a real person get horrifically injured and killed, but almost everybody enjoys seeing it if it is pretend. In live performances, audiences enjoy the show less if, at any point, they actually fear for an actor's safety.

[Dutchling]

Consider 'omg what kind of person would willingly kill someone in a game', 'omg what kind of person would go to the movies to see people getting killed', 'omg what kind of person would enjoy reading about people getting killed' and the like

oh wait...

People who oppose this are ignorant hypocrite mooks of the highest order with no sense of logic.

How can we discuss this with a straight face even though violence, killing and drama (usually as a result of said violence and killing) is THE most popular form of entertainment on the planet in the form of books, movies, news or games. We as a society revel in the suffering of others.

While I agree with the foundational idea of "Opposing this because it involves something we as a society oppose is silly", your angle is off. Few people want to see somebody actually get raped, but lots of people enjoy West Side Story. Only deviants want to see a real person get horrifically injured and killed, but almost everybody enjoys seeing it if it is pretend. In live performances, audiences enjoy the show less if, at any point, they actually fear for an actor's safety.

Emm, who raped who in West Side Story? I don't remember seeing anyone raped in that movie.

[Grakelin]

Anita narrowly escapes an attempted gang rape by the Jets well into the second act, an important plot point because it demolishes all that Maria did to settle the hatred Anita feels for the gang that killed her boyfriend. Instead of telling Tony to meet Maria, she tells the Jets that Chino murdered her out of jealousy. This directly leads Tony to seek out Chino, who is actively hunting him, so that the latter will murder him and put him out of his grief.

Not sure why it wasn't included in the movie version you saw.

[Megaman]

You know, it's almost a shame it wasn't a real game. Sounded like such an original idea.

[Dutchling]

Anita narrowly escapes an attempted gang rape by the Jets well into the second act, an important plot point because it demolishes all that Maria did to settle the hatred Anita feels for the gang that killed her boyfriend. Instead of telling Tony to meet Maria, she tells the Jets that Chino murdered her out of jealousy. This directly leads Tony to seek out Chino, who is actively hunting him, so that the latter will murder him and put him out of his grief.

Not sure why it wasn't included in the movie version you saw.

Well, I was like 10 years old when I saw that movie. I think I'll download it and watch it again.
EDIT: Wuut, is the movie from 1961!? That's odd.

[Grakelin]

It's a play. A play. From 1957.

[a1s]

It's a play. A play. From 1957.

If you want to get technical, it's a 1957 musical, based on a 1597 play, itself based on a 1562 poem ...

[Flare]

I think this settles it then. There never was, and quite possibly never will be any originality in the arts.

[Neonivek]

Ohh my goodness

Canada still hasn't abolished Slavery?

[a1s]

1833 British Empire. All of it.

To clarify the relevance: Unlike it southern neighbor, Canada was not an independent nation until 1931 (though it was receiving ever wider self-governance powers since 1867).
Some parts (like Quebec) did it even earlier.