Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

Author Topic: Creating Music? (Techno)  (Read 793 times)

AllThingsLive

  • Bay Watcher
  • Damn, I'm a sexy bitch!
    • View Profile
Creating Music? (Techno)
« on: September 01, 2011, 09:55:52 pm »

I love the artists Ronald Jenkees, C418, Deadmau5, all that, they're absolutely brilliant in my mind. They all do techno-esque music, and each one of them has a separate style and creates their own unique mood.
I've been interested in music for a long time now, but I don't know a thing about it other than that I think it's the highest form of art.

So, I'd really love to get into music, and as you may have been able to guess, I have no clue how to start. I eventually would like to get into making techno music, but right now, I'd just like to learn the basics of music, specifically what sounds good. When I hear something, obviously it sounds good or it doesn't sound good to me, but thinking in terms of musicality and then putting that down as notes or whatever, is just something that I don't think I can do right now. I just can't think like "Oh yeah, that's good bass line, now I think some crashing cymbals would be good here" So I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'd like to learn to get an ear for creating music, as well as for learning the technicalities of it.
That was much more long winded than it needed to be, but I think you for listening to my rambling, and huge thanks in advance to any help you provide!

(Also, to those who keep seeing me asking about all these different topics, I know, I like to talk about a lot of stuff, but I'm not bullshitting, I really do have a great interest in all the things I've asked about)
Logged
If you haven't already, you MUST listen to the Joe Rogan Experience : http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/id360084272

freeformschooler

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 10:08:56 pm »

I want to post advice, but instead? I'm echoing the question. See, I can hear some music in my head, but I can't hold it and I can't translate it to digital, and I just am not good at music composition in general. I need to know how to have an ear for creating music too.
Logged

Willfor

  • Bay Watcher
  • The great magmaman adventurer. I do it for hugs.
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2011, 12:24:24 am »

When you want to learn any art, the trick to learning is to deconstruct what is happening in the art you're looking at. You want to start listening to music from the perspective of a musician or composer: That's not a song you're listening to, that's a compilation of individual instrument tracks and sometimes vocals. Listen to just the bass. Listen to just the guitar. Listen to just the drums. Listen to just the vocals. Listen to what each individual thing is in the song, and where it comes in. Anyone who wants to make music needs to be able to distinguish individual sounds within a song, because you will have to build each of those elements yourself to make your own techno music, or work with other people to make real instrument recorded music. And the basics of a listening ear should be worked out on your own, by doing this listening work.

The easiest music to do this with is rock music. Rock music has a very standardized structure (this is not a bad thing, it's just what it is). Not only that, but you will find that people who make the kind of music you like today have been influenced by people who made rock music. Or they have been influenced by people who have made music that was inspired by rock music. Try these two for starters, but get recommendations from people you know too: One Two (One important thing that you should note from these that you might not pick up on immediately: While all instruments should be played generally in sync with each other, the vocals are not necessarily restricted to it at all)

After rock music, do the same thing with every genre. Or rather AS MANY GENRES AS YOU CAN. Ones you like, ones you absolutely loathe, everything. You're not listening to enjoy yourself, you're listening to who is playing what.

There's really no shortcut to this step.


By the way, this next step does not require you to finish the step above. Ideally, you'll do this one while you're developing your ear. Do it concurrently.

Get access to a keyboard. Repeat get access to a keyboard. You know in shows where they have people composing, they are sitting in front of a keyboard? That is not a lie. That is truth. The keyboard is laid out in a way that makes learning music theory easy. The keyboard is also laid out in a way that makes composition easy. When I sit down to a keyboard now to figure out which key a song I'm composing is in, it's easy because I learned how to compose with it;

Code: [Select]
<Me> *Starts to play scales* -- Oh, I like this one.
<Me> This major scale starts on F, so it's F major/D minor.
<Me> The notes I can play without making it sound out of place (the notes in the scale) are F, G, A, Bflat, C, D, E.
<Me> My F, Bflat, and C chords are my major chords (because Bflat is sub-dominant, and C is dominant)
<Me> My G, A, and D chords are minor chords (Because to play them using the keys we have outlined, you need to modify the standard notes)
<Me> E is my diminished chord (I have not yet learned the reason behind this one, I am still in the process of learning music theory)
<Me> The I - IV - V chord progression for this is F, Bflat, C

All of this is built on learning scales. And to learn scales, you have to read a book, or a website on scales. My stripped down version: Play every white key starting on C until you get to the next C. Note the spaces you moved to get to each of these white keys. Whole step (jumped over a key) - Whole step - Half step (got directly to the next key) - Whole step - Whole step - Whole step - Half step. THIS PATTERN is the major scale. You can start this pattern of jumps on any key on the keyboard, and you will still have a major scale. It will sound different, but it will still be major. There are other patterns out there, and they are also important to know. For instance: This song starts off as basically an E minor scale, and then it jumps into major chords.

One last thing: Get MIDI composition software. There are a lot of them out there. Some of them are free. You're going to have to experiment to find the right one for you. There are some bands that compose exclusively in MIDI, and then they play to printouts of what they've created with it. This is one my brother listens to. This is its actual recording. I honestly prefer the MIDI version, myself.

Anyway, I use FL Studio, which I paid some of my rather hard earned money for because I thought it was worth it. But I had some experience in using MIDI composition software already using my dad's copy of Cakewalk. FL Studio allows Virtual Instruments that use MIDI data to play a variety of sounds, but it's good to have some experience in doing it the less flashy way before you dive into it.


This is my own work in making music. This particular piece was made over a period of 2 weeks, with about 12 hours of work sunk into it to get this particular sound. The reason for the "two weeks" is because I was busy with other things, and it was relegated to the side. It uses a lot of stuff from my previous works, and you'd be surprised how much of my own recycled material went into its composition. But it turned into its own song, and stands as the best of the work I can display at the moment.

One last word of advise from the Audio department head at the school I'm going to: Protect your fucking ears. This is good advise in general, but especially if you want to have fun making music. Wear earplugs at concerts, even if it's not fashionable. Any time you hear ringing in your ears after being exposed to loud noises, this means that you have experienced hearing damage in some way.
Logged
In the wells of livestock vans with shells and garden sands /
Iron mixed with oxygen as per the laws of chemistry and chance /
A shape was roughly human, it was only roughly human /
Apparition eyes / Apparition eyes / Knock, apparition, knock / Eyes, apparition eyes /

Trapezohedron

  • Bay Watcher
  • No longer exists here.
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2011, 01:45:25 am »

Generally, techno and other musics' drum patterns take 3 measures before switching the 4th measure to a drum roll. In techno, it's generally like this:
Code: [Select]
4/4, 140 bpm
1---|---|---|---2---|---|---|---3---|---|---|---4---|---|---|---|
k---k---k---k---k--repeat-------|--repeat-------k---k---k-k-----|
|-h---h---h---h-|--first--------|--first--------|-h---h--h-h--h-|
|---s--------s--|--measure------|--measure------|---s-------s---|
k = kick
h = hi-hat
s = snare

Techno is usually in the 120 - 160 bpm range, although that doesn't mean that you can't deviate from it. The best program for composing electronic music in my opinion is FL Studio, as it's tailored for those kinds of music.

Like what Willfor said, it's very important to have a keyboard on the ready. The keyboard is the best instrument for experimenting with sounds, and learning your scales and stuff.

Finally, it's best if you can plug your keyboard into your computer to compose stuff, so as to take care of excrutiatingly frustrating stuff like pitch bending.

My advice is that you should have basic knowledge of music before you try to create techno music. Start by learning to play the piano, and learning to harmonize the notes, and learning to hear the other parts of other music, not just the melody.
Logged
Thank you for all the fish. It was a good run.

Chris_24

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2011, 05:40:48 am »

I'd say: learn music theory. I learned it up to (if I say so myself) a pretty high standard in a pretty short space of time. There are plenty of free resources on the internet to learn from, and it - in my experience - greatly reduces the trial-and-error in composition. You know roughly, as a rule of thumb, what will work and what won't.
Logged

AllThingsLive

  • Bay Watcher
  • Damn, I'm a sexy bitch!
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2011, 10:58:15 pm »

That was a lot of very helpful information Willfor, I've been posting my question everywhere and people are always like "Take a music class and buy a keyboard, then practice." Obviously that information sucks, and I thank you a ton for giving such a great answer!
Just a quick question though, as far as the technical side of music goes, should I know anything other than scales? I mean, I always thought being able to read sheet music was supposed to be important, and aren't there notes call "Sharps and flats" or something?
Logged
If you haven't already, you MUST listen to the Joe Rogan Experience : http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/id360084272

AllThingsLive

  • Bay Watcher
  • Damn, I'm a sexy bitch!
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2011, 11:17:53 pm »

Also, I've got to thank you for that song you've linked me, I absolutely adore it! (And I honestly like your work too, good stuff :D)
So in turn, here's one of my favorite Ronald Jenkees songs : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFurLevE28
Logged
If you haven't already, you MUST listen to the Joe Rogan Experience : http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/id360084272

Willfor

  • Bay Watcher
  • The great magmaman adventurer. I do it for hugs.
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2011, 11:16:42 am »

Just a quick question though, as far as the technical side of music goes, should I know anything other than scales? I mean, I always thought being able to read sheet music was supposed to be important, and aren't there notes call "Sharps and flats" or something?
Well, once you know how scales work, you should progress from there. It's just that it's hard to suggest a direction. Reading music is a good suggestion.

Anyway, sharps and flats come from the fact that modern tuning is taking 12 notes, and using only 7 letters to distinguish them. On a keyboard they are arranged C, Csharp, D, Dsharp, E, F, Fsharp, G, GSharp, A, Asharp, B. Or, on a keyboard they are arranged C, Dflat, D, Eflat, E, F, Gflat, G, Aflat, A, Bflat, B. Notice that they are the same keys, but the black keys have two names. They are the sharps and flats on a keyboard. They are halfway between the lettered keys in pitch. If this sounds complex, it's because it is. The reason it's complex is because there are certain rules in writing music where it is highly discouraged to use both sharps and flats in your key signatures at the same time -- which means most of the time when you're playing a piece of music, all of the black keys are going to be named either Xsharp or Xflat, and not both at the same time.

I don't think I'm explaining it very well, so you may want to do your own research on it. These concepts will take some getting used to.
Logged
In the wells of livestock vans with shells and garden sands /
Iron mixed with oxygen as per the laws of chemistry and chance /
A shape was roughly human, it was only roughly human /
Apparition eyes / Apparition eyes / Knock, apparition, knock / Eyes, apparition eyes /

AaronLS

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Creating Music? (Techno)
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 01:22:52 am »

You could find cheaper ways to self teach, but this is what I did.  And yeh its great fun even just for a hobby.

2 introductory music theory classes at a local college.
1 keyboard theory class
Copy of Fruity Loops, there's lots of other software based drum/loop programs, but I love fruity loops.
MIDI keyboard helps alot with experimentation.
Logged