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[Catastrophic lolcats]

That is a very interesting question.

[Dutchling]

I assume The Knights vassalised a very small Ottomans and after that there were a lot of Turkish patriots in Mameluk Anatolia.

edit: Or a vassalize casus belli, if you can use that as a defender.

[Rex_Nex]

Dutchling is right with the patriots thing, mostly. Mameluk Anatolia -> Eternid Anatolia, otherwise correct!

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[Azthor]

Vanilla DW:

Spoiler: England -> France (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Bohemia -> HRE (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Moscowy -> Russia (click to show/hide)

The one with Russia was fairly standard, but the other two are plain silly and founded on extremely gamey actions.

[Karlito]

I'm out to do a similar HRE takes over Europe with Austria. I probably won't have it finished by 1477.

[Azthor]

I'm out to do a similar HRE takes over Europe with Austria. I probably won't have it finished by 1477.

A good deal of that was personal unions with Spain, Scandinavia and Great Britain. which formed ridiculously early on; most of France had been eaten up by Spain and Burgundy.

Just abuse the HRE's forcelimit, place claims on the major power's thrones, then help them blob. Managing to form a nearly Europe sized HRE before 1500 takes some luck though; namely, opportunities to use Fabricate Claims.

The hardest of the three games was the one with Muscowy; soon after I formed Russia I had to deal with three hordes, Poland, Lithuania and Prussia simultaneously. The only saving grace is that the Ottomans decided the Golden Horde was a better target than me.

[Karlito]

How'd you run through the Imperial reforms so fast? Every 10 years I can diplo-annex and then release a vassal for 10 imperial authority, and now after some eastern expansion I can beat back the golden horde every 5, but I've still got 4 reforms to go and it's 1487 (with an early start courtesy of D&T).

I mean, I thought I was doing pretty alright.

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[Heron TSG]

You can get some authority from winning wars against aggressors against HRE states. Or you can jump all over Austria, Bavaria, or Bohemia when they inevitably start mowing down nearby princes. I passed all of my reforms by 1550 after only becoming emperor in 1460 and spending most of that time trying to get people to like me. (While attempting to be the model emperor. Until I enacted the final reform which in my game will divide the HRE into 7 substates, not a single prince was lost. Every religious dissenter was returned to Catholicism immediately.)

[Azthor]

I was Bohemia, meaning I start as the HRE. I used every single Imperial Liberation and Imperial Ban Casus Belli and accepted every military aid request sent by an HRE estate. I don't think I ever got a period of peace in that game before passing the reform which prohibited wars between HRE members.

I'd usually burn my authority so that the -10 penalty from HRE estates being annexed wouldn't affect me, then declare war and free the estates for +10/each.

[Karlito]

Well, I am Austria. I inherited Bohemia and Burgundy pretty early on, though I released them as my vassals for the authority. The only big internal strife was when Brandenburg annexed Pomerania and I immediately rectified that. England and Castile ganged up on France and forced it to release a bunch of vassals; they're recovering slowly but Brittany now owns the entire Atlantic coast, so there haven't been any threats to the Empire from the east, and I am the west, so besides the ever reliable mongols, there haven't been any external threats. I'm pretty sure that I've been the aggressor in every war against a European power; no one wants to fight the largest standing army in the world.

[Azthor]

Well, I am Austria. I inherited Bohemia and Burgundy pretty early on, though I released them as my vassals for the authority. The only big internal strife was when Brandenburg annexed Pomerania and I immediately rectified that. England and Castile ganged up on France and forced it to release a bunch of vassals; they're recovering slowly but Brittany now owns the entire Atlantic coast, so there haven't been any threats to the Empire from the east, and I am the west, so besides the ever reliable mongols, there haven't been any external threats. I'm pretty sure that I've been the aggressor in every war against a European power; no one wants to fight the largest standing army in the world.

If I had to point out the problem, I'd say it is Bohemia and Burgundy being dipomatically inactive due to the vassalage. If you are the Emperor, Bohemia, Burgundy and Austria tend to be the main sources of liberation based authority.

[Karlito]

I guess so. I'm not too worried about it, since there's plenty of game left to play out. I mean, what do you do when you've effectively won the game before 1500?

[Azthor]

I guess so. I'm not too worried about it, since there's plenty of game left to play out. I mean, what do you do when you've effectively won the game before 1500?

You mean that 1477 game? Let me check.

Edit: Woah, I actually formed the HRE at 1472. 1477 is the last save; I must have become bored and abandoned the game.

[Heron TSG]

I was Bohemia, meaning I start as the HRE. I used every single Imperial Liberation and Imperial Ban Casus Belli and accepted every military aid request sent by an HRE estate. I don't think I ever got a period of peace in that game before passing the reform which prohibited wars between HRE members.

I'd usually burn my authority so that the -10 penalty from HRE estates being annexed wouldn't affect me, then declare war and free the estates for +10/each.

Yep, sounds like the same reason I was at 20+ WE for decades at a time.  Sure is fun, though!

I guess so. I'm not too worried about it, since there's plenty of game left to play out. I mean, what do you do when you've effectively won the game before 1500?

Well, you could do what I did and focus on world building. I replaced Renovatio Imperii with an event to give my most loyal vassals large swaths of imperial land, and I plan on releasing them after they stabilize. Things get a little wacky when you give Hamburg 20 provinces.  I wanted to make sure the created nations would be at least friendly towards me. Hamburg got most of northern Germany, Hesse got central Germany, Ansbach got southern Germany, Switzerland kept its orignal borders, Milan got northern Italy and Savoy, Austria kept its lands with a few border states, Bohemia got the Czechoslovakia region, and I kept my lands, albeit with cores. Every one of those countries is now in the top 20 income list, so when I release them (once they've built up militaries) it should be a dang fun Europe. Once they update their building infrastructure, I'm sure that two of them together could pose a credible threat to me. (Though I could still massacre any of them.)

[Rex_Nex]

(Reinforcing Religious Unity = Awesome. Its like trading a diplomat for 10 authority.)

Defending the HRE is kind of required but to be honest its hardly worth it. Its a handful of authority points for years of war, and letting a group of minors get annexed is actually good. Its kind of infrequent too; if you get too powerful, no one will attack anyone in the HRE. Eventually its just France that will even make attempts.