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[RedKing]

I've been too consumed with Vic2 lately (playing my EU3 exports to create laughably unbalanced starting scenarios)...my Hindustani game, my industrial score and military scores are so high that it basically broke the Infamy system. I spent half the game playing very conservatively, until I realized that no one was attacking me even though I'd breached the Infamy limit, because my military score was higher than all the other seven Great Powers combined. I should restart that one and just go hellbent for world conquest from the word go.

But once I've had my fill of that, I think I'll try my Vinland Empire idea, taking Norway and rushing colonial expansion so that I can get a core in North America by 1460 or so, then moving my capital there, selling all my Scandinavian provinces to Sweden and/or Denmark for some nice cash, and cutting the cord to mother Europe. Hopefully by the time the Europeans show up for reals in North America, there will be a mighty Norwegian Empire blocking their way. And an army/navy capable of fending off attempted forays onto Vinland. And then of course, booting them out of the Western Hemipshere entirely. Think of it as Manifest Destiny a few centuries early.

[Johnfalcon99977]

Considering posting a map from my most recent Italian Game, which is also becoming interesting.

The reformation pretty much flopped everywhere outside of Germany. However, Calvinism seemed to catch on in Southern France and gather a fairly large following before France got caught up in *Massive* civil war which even I had to get involved in. Yet I couldn't stop all of Southern France breaking off into various Calvinist (And one REALLY hardcore Catholic) nations.

[RedKing]

But once I've had my fill of that, I think I'll try my Vinland Empire idea, taking Norway and rushing colonial expansion so that I can get a core in North America by 1460 or so, then moving my capital there, selling all my Scandinavian provinces to Sweden and/or Denmark for some nice cash, and cutting the cord to mother Europe. Hopefully by the time the Europeans show up for reals in North America, there will be a mighty Norwegian Empire blocking their way. And an army/navy capable of fending off attempted forays onto Vinland. And then of course, booting them out of the Western Hemipshere entirely. Think of it as Manifest Destiny a few centuries early.

Well crap. Forgot that in DW, you can't select "Quest for the New World" without hitting Trade 7 and Govt 4. And given that Norway is vassal to Denmark, that's a big problem.

If I disband my army entirely, I can save 0.5 gold a month and throw everything into tech and depend on mother Denmark for protection. Downside: losing half my income to vassal status, and the fact that Denmark frequently bites off more than it can chew in wars. Oh sure, it did well against the Teutonic Order when it still had Sweden to call upon. But then Erik Gryf died without heir and the throne fell to the Oldenburgs. Sweden broke free, and then Scotland DoW'd me for the Orkneys (fine, take the damn rocks and leave me alone!) which pulled in Portugal. Which proceeded to smash the Danish navy and invade everything from Finnmark to Iceland. D:

If I retain the army and try to emulate Sweden in insulting the Danes constantly so I can break away when the king dies, then I'll either get nommed up by Sweden or forced back into a union by Denmark. Or attacked by Scotland.

This is going to be tough without cheating. Maybe I should try this with Portugal instead, and then sell my Iberian provinces to Castille.

[Heron TSG]

I decided to try playing as Burgundy starting in 1420, and boy was it fun. I basically antagonized France and expanded for a few decades until suddenly Austria declared war on them. Though I didn't have a casus belli, I decided to pounce upon the Blue Behemoth while I could. The war ended with me taking a lot of their northern lands, staying just under the infamy limit.

And then my 8-diplomacy king died.

Boom, war, war everywhere! Half of Europe was at war with me, and the war exhaustion caused tens of thousands of rebels to spring out of nowhere to fight my constantly expanding army. I decided to call it quits in about 1475, when Burgundy stretched from the Straits of Gibraltar to Denmark. My war exhaustion had come down in the truce years, though my infamy was higher than ever. There would simply be no challenge after that, though. I seriously doubt that the entirety of Asia and the fragmented states of Eastern Europe combined could have beaten my ridiculously purple Europe.

[Rakonas]

But once I've had my fill of that, I think I'll try my Vinland Empire idea, taking Norway and rushing colonial expansion so that I can get a core in North America by 1460 or so, then moving my capital there, selling all my Scandinavian provinces to Sweden and/or Denmark for some nice cash, and cutting the cord to mother Europe. Hopefully by the time the Europeans show up for reals in North America, there will be a mighty Norwegian Empire blocking their way. And an army/navy capable of fending off attempted forays onto Vinland. And then of course, booting them out of the Western Hemipshere entirely. Think of it as Manifest Destiny a few centuries early.

Well crap. Forgot that in DW, you can't select "Quest for the New World" without hitting Trade 7 and Govt 4. And given that Norway is vassal to Denmark, that's a big problem.

If I disband my army entirely, I can save 0.5 gold a month and throw everything into tech and depend on mother Denmark for protection. Downside: losing half my income to vassal status, and the fact that Denmark frequently bites off more than it can chew in wars. Oh sure, it did well against the Teutonic Order when it still had Sweden to call upon. But then Erik Gryf died without heir and the throne fell to the Oldenburgs. Sweden broke free, and then Scotland DoW'd me for the Orkneys (fine, take the damn rocks and leave me alone!) which pulled in Portugal. Which proceeded to smash the Danish navy and invade everything from Finnmark to Iceland. D:

If I retain the army and try to emulate Sweden in insulting the Danes constantly so I can break away when the king dies, then I'll either get nommed up by Sweden or forced back into a union by Denmark. Or attacked by Scotland.

This is going to be tough without cheating. Maybe I should try this with Portugal instead, and then sell my Iberian provinces to Castille.

My solution to this was playing Miscmods, shattered europe scenario, where Iceland is independent (and Asatru, fuck yeah).

[Zrk2]

I decided to try playing as Burgundy starting in 1420, and boy was it fun. I basically antagonized France and expanded for a few decades until suddenly Austria declared war on them. Though I didn't have a casus belli, I decided to pounce upon the Blue Behemoth while I could. The war ended with me taking a lot of their northern lands, staying just under the infamy limit.

And then my 8-diplomacy king died.

Boom, war, war everywhere! Half of Europe was at war with me, and the war exhaustion caused tens of thousands of rebels to spring out of nowhere to fight my constantly expanding army. I decided to call it quits in about 1475, when Burgundy stretched from the Straits of Gibraltar to Denmark. My war exhaustion had come down in the truce years, though my infamy was higher than ever. There would simply be no challenge after that, though. I seriously doubt that the entirety of Asia and the fragmented states of Eastern Europe combined could have beaten my ridiculously purple Europe.

Map plx?

Oh, I should post my map of Austria circa 1430, where I am Holy Roman Emperor, have inherited Bohemia and Bavaria, and have pretty much a lock on permanent emperor status. The only danger is Super-France expanding into my empire.

[Johnfalcon99977]

But once I've had my fill of that, I think I'll try my Vinland Empire idea, taking Norway and rushing colonial expansion so that I can get a core in North America by 1460 or so, then moving my capital there, selling all my Scandinavian provinces to Sweden and/or Denmark for some nice cash, and cutting the cord to mother Europe. Hopefully by the time the Europeans show up for reals in North America, there will be a mighty Norwegian Empire blocking their way. And an army/navy capable of fending off attempted forays onto Vinland. And then of course, booting them out of the Western Hemipshere entirely. Think of it as Manifest Destiny a few centuries early.

Well crap. Forgot that in DW, you can't select "Quest for the New World" without hitting Trade 7 and Govt 4. And given that Norway is vassal to Denmark, that's a big problem.

If I disband my army entirely, I can save 0.5 gold a month and throw everything into tech and depend on mother Denmark for protection. Downside: losing half my income to vassal status, and the fact that Denmark frequently bites off more than it can chew in wars. Oh sure, it did well against the Teutonic Order when it still had Sweden to call upon. But then Erik Gryf died without heir and the throne fell to the Oldenburgs. Sweden broke free, and then Scotland DoW'd me for the Orkneys (fine, take the damn rocks and leave me alone!) which pulled in Portugal. Which proceeded to smash the Danish navy and invade everything from Finnmark to Iceland. D:

If I retain the army and try to emulate Sweden in insulting the Danes constantly so I can break away when the king dies, then I'll either get nommed up by Sweden or forced back into a union by Denmark. Or attacked by Scotland.

This is going to be tough without cheating. Maybe I should try this with Portugal instead, and then sell my Iberian provinces to Castille.

My solution to this was playing Miscmods, shattered europe scenario, where Iceland is independent (and Asatru, fuck yeah).

If your going to play a mod, you may as well play a mod which adds Vinland was a playable nation.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Miscmods does add Vinland as a playable nation. It's a colonial separatism event. Not sure if there's an event to actually form Vinland from a European starting though.

[Johnfalcon99977]

There are mods which add Vinland as a playable nation from the start, but I'm too lazy to find them

[Rakonas]

There are mods which add Vinland as a playable nation from the start, but I'm too lazy to find them

That's removes the whole challenge of becoming Vinland, though. There's a mod out there called... Vinland (DW).

[LuckyNinja]

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All rise for the honourable...Queen?

Also, dat Byzantium and Tibet.

[Catastrophic lolcats]

Queen ... George. I guess it's a very progressive Georgian England.
While I've never had a female succeed to the throne I learnt by playing a nation that starts with one that they fuction just like a male leader except they can't be converted into generals 

[EmperorNuthulu]

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All rise for the honourable...Queen?

Also, dat Byzantium and Tibet.

 Dear god what is going on with your world. Queen George, Burgundy over-running France, huge Byzantium and Tibet, Austria has no name on the map and the golden horde is all the way to Finland!

[Teneb]

Isn't de Avis the last name of the portuguese royal family in the earliest start?

Also, what's that pink thing next to norway?

[Heron TSG]

To be fair, Burgundy usually overruns France in my games, unless France is one of those Lucky Nations. (In which case, run!)