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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1545 on: February 25, 2012, 10:48:23 am »

I am bringing this question up once again, but this time a little more detailed

If you were playing England/GB, how many connected provinces/population would you want in the new world in order to make your capital in the new world?

1. All your colonies is cored, so you wont get 90% tax penalty after switch
2. Tariffs yearly value in a ledger close to your taxes.

or

just save, switch and check yourself :D
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« Reply #1546 on: February 25, 2012, 10:53:32 am »

Once Hindustan is done, and I finish off conquering all the Indias, I should be solidly in place as a regional hegemon. The Timurids are doing their usual epic collapse, with Baluchistan, Khorasan and Persia carving out big chunks. Delhi is a minor state, as is Gujarat. For the most part, the Islamic states in India have utterly failed.

You are VERY lucky you having so little problems with timurids, in my Hindustan game they was a biggest power I forced to deal with. Seriously, land scorching, 50+ stacks massacres. And thats was after Hindustan was formed and i had all indian peninsula (rich and lots of manpower/flimits)
You actually losing alot of fun here.

as a bonus, just wait for

15   Indian Shock Cavalry   3   1   5   2   5   2

and go on rampage :D This stats is SICK for 15 land level.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 10:55:40 am by gogis »
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« Reply #1547 on: February 25, 2012, 07:09:39 pm »

Too bad it takes forever to get there.
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« Reply #1548 on: February 26, 2012, 09:19:34 am »

Too bad it takes forever to get there.

I used it waaay before I could physically westernize. For that period I really felt like god in surroundings. It's not like african 10%
Don't forget, that with filthy rich indian provinces you will be ahead in techrate. Think ~60-70%
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« Reply #1549 on: February 26, 2012, 02:12:48 pm »

Once Hindustan is done, and I finish off conquering all the Indias, I should be solidly in place as a regional hegemon. The Timurids are doing their usual epic collapse, with Baluchistan, Khorasan and Persia carving out big chunks. Delhi is a minor state, as is Gujarat. For the most part, the Islamic states in India have utterly failed.

You are VERY lucky you having so little problems with timurids, in my Hindustan game they was a biggest power I forced to deal with. Seriously, land scorching, 50+ stacks massacres. And thats was after Hindustan was formed and i had all indian peninsula (rich and lots of manpower/flimits)
You actually losing alot of fun here.

as a bonus, just wait for

15   Indian Shock Cavalry   3   1   5   2   5   2

and go on rampage :D This stats is SICK for 15 land level.

This game seems to be inverting a lot of the typical EU3 outcomes. The Timurids are completely gone at this point. In the late 1400's, England was very nearly wiped off the map by Scotland. They've gotten better since then, and now Scotland is a OPM, with the upper half of its old territory taken by the Hansa, and the lower half by England. Wales is independent, and Castille holds Cornwall. Castille has virtually the entire Iberian peninsula but hasn't formed Spain for some reason.

France....got gang-raped by all of Western Europe. Excommunicated for like four monarchs in a row, and DoW'd by everyone.
Meanwhile, for a good long period of time through the 1400s and early-mid 1500s, the Ottoman Empire stretched from the Balkans to Tibet:o
Then they got overextended and into a war with Mega-Muscovy and Austria at the same time. The peace treaty liberated three nomadic hordes and half a dozen civilized states. Basically disintegrated the Ottomans.

I've been steadily improving my relations with Austria and Muscovy, as natural partners to deal with the Islamic states in central Asia. My income is the largest in the world (about 1800/yr) and my army the 4th largest in the world and dwarfing that of the nearby Islamic powers in Baluchistan and Khorasan.

The problems I'm running into are:
A. Tech gap. I'm at Army Tech 8, the nearby Muslim states are at 15, the Ottomans are at 18, and Austria is at 21.
B. Terrain. If I'm going to expand into Baluchistan and Khorasan (and I do have some cores), I've got to do it through some of the nastiest, hilliest terrain in Central Asia. Supply limits in the low single-digits, but if I'm going to win against the Muslims, I need massive stacks to do it. I've got the manpower to absorb a good bit of the attrition, but it raises my war exhaustion really fast to do so.

My one saving grace is that I nabbed a couple of provinces from Baluchistan and Khorasan that are dual-core (I have a core, they still have a core). Thus, I can recruit their troop types in those few provinces. So I've been trying to build up as many Qizilbash Cavalries as I possibly can, to replace all my Indian cavalry with. I also have early access to cannon this way, even if they're just culverins. Faster sieges = less time for hideous attrition to do it damage. But what I really need are better infantry. I'm still stuck with Indian Foot Soldier infantry, which have ZERO ratings on defense. So I can't even effectively use the terrain against them. If I can manage to recruit Muslim infantry, it should be Musketeers, which would be a huge step up.

As far as the Europeans, I've seen Portuguese and English ships sailing by my coast, but I think they're scared to try doing anything against me. The Hansa have extended their reach as far as Swahili/Mutapa, so I may be seeing them on my shores before long. Trying desperately to get my sliders in position for Westernization. Moving up even just to the Muslim tech level would be a big help. Then I can punch through the central Asian states and get a border with a friendly Muscovy and move up to the Eastern tech level. Then it's GAME ON as I steamroll the Middle East and/or East Asia.

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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1550 on: February 26, 2012, 08:08:52 pm »

All I wanted was Bresica.

Thats all I ever wanted.

This is what I got:
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« Reply #1551 on: February 26, 2012, 08:52:50 pm »

LAWL NOPE NO BRESICA FOR YOU LOL GG.

Anyway, what mod is that?
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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1552 on: February 26, 2012, 08:55:09 pm »

Welcome to Italy; where the wine is plentiful, the churches are badass, and the wars are  retarded.
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« Reply #1553 on: February 26, 2012, 09:13:50 pm »

Anyway, what mod is that?

Its some mod pack I found called OCS: Optimum Scholarum Cogitationis. Other then having a name that is absolutely horrendous to spell, its pretty cool.
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« Reply #1554 on: February 27, 2012, 09:25:41 am »


The problems I'm running into are:
A. Tech gap. I'm at Army Tech 8, the nearby Muslim states are at 15, the Ottomans are at 18, and Austria is at 21.
B. Terrain. If I'm going to expand into Baluchistan and Khorasan (and I do have some cores), I've got to do it through some of the nastiest, hilliest terrain in Central Asia. Supply limits in the low single-digits, but if I'm going to win against the Muslims, I need massive stacks to do it. I've got the manpower to absorb a good bit of the attrition, but it raises my war exhaustion really fast to do so.


My game was quite different, I was struggling Timurids to good ~1600. And I was FILTHY rich. I think I broke ~4.5k/year (ledger value) at that point. So, not so many provinces (I basically just got all Hindustan cores), and alot of gold into research. Then I got to that sick cavalry, smashed Tims and Persia and westernized to eastern. I think I stopped around 1700 because I was incredibly powerful by that moment.

I dunno really, I think the trick is to overdevelop your continent provinces. Resources there is PHAAT.
I started new game and by 1483 I just converted to Hindustan, have constable/marketplace/dock in every province and my techs is all 7 with Land at 8.
Also I created my own CoT in Maharashtra in ~1470 which is whopping ~1200gold now. With 46k standing army (8/4 composition) and master of mint I am making ~400-500 year without inflation. I am also scared to shits because now I see 35k Tims stacks and 20k Chagatai in my vicinity.


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« Reply #1555 on: February 28, 2012, 11:34:03 am »

I just got done finishing off the Chagatai by colonizing them. I realize it's a major net drain to bother with these Bumfuckistan provinces up between Karakorum and the Himalayas, but it was an easier route to go to try and make contact with Muscovy than butting heads with Khorasan and Baluchistan to the west.

Although that plan has been completely short-circuited by my establishing a colony in Majerteen (on the Horn of Africa), right next to the Hanseatic-controlled Swahili strip. Why hello, nice merchant people from Loo-bech. Can I haz teknologee?

Had to convert back from Feudal Monarchy to Despotic so that I could move my centralization slider to the left. So now I'm up to the Muslim tech level and working hard to get my stability back up. Once I hit +1, I can change into an Empire. And once I get to +3, we can do this all over again and bump me up to the Eastern tech level. Now that I no longer need those steppe provinces to the north, I might try and liberate the Chagatai as vassals, to curtail the net losses on research and stability.

I've managed to nibble my way west as far as Sind and Kohulistan, but the Khorasanis and Baluchis are proving to be a tough nut to crack. They have musketeer infantry, while I'm still fighting with with thousands of guys with nothing more than sharp sticks. Once my troops get modernized, things will go easier, but I'm still a good 6-7 tech levels behind. Ideally, I'll be able to convert to Eastern tech by about 1630, and Western tech by about 1660 +/- 5 years. After that, I'm tempted to convert to a Hindu theocracy, swing all those sliders towards narrowminded and start a mass conquest and conversion program to Hinduize all of Asia.

Meanwhile, in Europe, France continues to get more irrelevant. Francia proper is divided between Burgundy, Foix, Guyenne, Brittany and a slew of OPMs. Bohemia is large and powerful (and for generations held the HRE Imperial title), but they are now worse than dishonourable scum. This hasn't really been a problem for them, as they keep getting attacked by much smaller powers, beating the snot out of them and vassalizing them. Eventually it's going to take a coalition of the major powers like Sweden, Austria and Castille to take them down.
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« Reply #1556 on: February 28, 2012, 07:17:12 pm »

FYI the penalty for crossing that little (on the sliders) red line is actually pretty anti-climactic--just a small boost to revolt risk, at least in the mod I play.
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« Reply #1557 on: February 28, 2012, 11:07:01 pm »

Gosh, I hate asia now :/
So my Hindustani recap

- 1643, Administrative Monarchy
- 6.3k income in ledger, second place - Burgundy with 6.1
- Stuck with terrible 3 stats monarchs for almost 150 years, so currently eastern tech group, muslim troops for past 80 years :/
- 8*16 (10/6) land power, 270k manpower, +400g/y on full maintenance currently
- 21 gov tech, 24 land. Rest is quite sloppy 13-16. Current top land tech is 29.
- I did huuge mistake with "too early innovative" and forgot to take +0.5 missionaires religious decision, so more than 50% of my land - heathens and heretics :/
- Burgundy ate france, perma emperor with 330k land force. Huuge Russia currently is my northern border and I scared to shits.
- No holy war casus belli as Hindu. Ever. Ouch. On a bright side, I managed to take 8 Persian provinces at once for 8 infamy total when they attacked me with HWCB :D
- Ming and co is a joke now, just smashed 50k stack with mine 16k.

Soo, I am really not sure what to do now. To the east (I am currently in Fars) - huge Mamluks. To the north - Russia with 3rd biggest army in the world, only plausible move - east to get some chinaware.

Also, what gives Hindu theocracy? Seems like you imply that you getting HWCB that way?
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« Reply #1558 on: February 28, 2012, 11:21:16 pm »

Westernising is a painful process. Innovation almost always seems painful to a country, then you have the problems of shitty leaders and finally all the counter-westernisation events. Not fun.
If you're stuck with a shitty leader you could try to kill the leader in battle by making him the leader and send him out against stacked odds. Or you can try and let a Pretender win, though they generally don't have awesome stats.
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« Reply #1559 on: February 28, 2012, 11:28:04 pm »

Honestly, I'm not sure what a Hindu theocracy would do, since there's never one in a normal game. But yeah I'd think I'd get some kind of crusade CB against non-Hindus. If nothing else, I could take Deus Vult idea, and get the same thing. But I'm also keen to see what title it gives my ruler.
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