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Re: Europa Universalis III
« Reply #1410 on: February 08, 2012, 08:37:36 pm »

Huh. Most of my games, Castille goes heavy-duty on the land<-->naval slider, to make El Army Grande y Furioso. And they're usually having to do so because France is all up in ther Catalonia, sieging ther forts.

I'm half-tempted to play France and do it terribad, just to see what Europe looks like without uberFrance in it. Or maybe release all the vassals at the start of the game, switch governments a few times to get stability to -3, then save and load up the rest of the game as a different country.

9/10 France will probably recover well and still grow big after all, you release all their land so they can recover stability fast and the nations France releases would still be vassals (assuming you spent extra few months releasing them.)
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« Reply #1411 on: February 08, 2012, 08:41:31 pm »

I'd play with random lucky nations, or no lucky nations whatsoever too. France is a historical lucky, so that really helps keep them afloat if they have it.
They can still get it under random, but not as often.
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« Reply #1412 on: February 08, 2012, 08:48:08 pm »

I'd play with random lucky nations, or no lucky nations whatsoever too. France is a historical lucky, so that really helps keep them afloat if they have it.
They can still get it under random, but not as often.

I honestly never play with lucky nations anymore, the games feel more intense when something tiny eats something so huge, in my switzerland game Norway put Denmark in a PU and has eaten most of Sweden and is becoming the Scandinavian Terror in my game. I the Emperor of the HRE will hold my Baltic shores from those Norwegians!
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« Reply #1413 on: February 08, 2012, 09:48:19 pm »

We need a mod that takes maps from a database, then randomly assigns you to one of the nations. Maybe with a randomized goal and/or time limit.
There's a program that does exactly that, but it only works up to HttT. DW completely changed the map structure so it doesn't work anymore.
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« Reply #1414 on: February 08, 2012, 10:05:18 pm »

We need a mod that takes maps from a database, then randomly assigns you to one of the nations. Maybe with a randomized goal and/or time limit.
There's a program that does exactly that, but it only works up to HttT. DW completely changed the map structure so it doesn't work anymore.

Come to think of it, didn't we have a thread where people made challenges like that for people to complete?
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« Reply #1415 on: February 08, 2012, 10:08:47 pm »

Yes, I believe so. I believe Barbarossa (The one with 10K+ posts) started it.

... Ah, here's the thread: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=96209.msg2749420#msg2749420
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« Reply #1416 on: February 08, 2012, 10:14:34 pm »

Oh sorry, I completely misread what you wanted. It seems kind of silly to have a machine decide what your goals should be if you ask me, but to each their own. I suppose making such a program wouldn't really be too hard since there's only so many countries and only so many things those countries can actually do.
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« Reply #1417 on: February 08, 2012, 11:17:01 pm »

Well I always end up trying to take over the world in the end, so I think a random series of "quests" would be a nice change of pace.
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« Reply #1418 on: February 08, 2012, 11:38:48 pm »

Well, just ask. A human can give much more interesting tasks than a computer ever could.
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« Reply #1419 on: February 09, 2012, 12:39:32 am »

Can I get some tips on how to use PUs to my advantage against countries about/above my power? I hear that PUs are the key to expansion, but... I am never able to use them well myself. If I get lucky, I might get 1 random PU per 200 years because I dont know how claiming throne works and when to use it and when not to. It just seems like the countries I can easily force into a PU are the same ones that I could easily just conquer.
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« Reply #1420 on: February 09, 2012, 02:01:54 am »

Can I get some tips on how to use PUs to my advantage against countries about/above my power? I hear that PUs are the key to expansion, but... I am never able to use them well myself. If I get lucky, I might get 1 random PU per 200 years because I dont know how claiming throne works and when to use it and when not to. It just seems like the countries I can easily force into a PU are the same ones that I could easily just conquer.

Forcing a PU has some advantages. First off, it's much less infamy. Second, it can be done against a country of any size all in one go. Third, if the country is in your culture group OR both of you are imperial, when you inherit you'll get free cores.

First off, look in the tooltips on the top of your screen. One of them should say "Disputed Succession". These are countries you can form PU's with. All you gotta do is find a country on that list with less prestige than you, get a royal marriage, and then claim their throne. Important thing to keep in mind, though, you'll lose your claim if a legitimate heir shows up, so only claim the thrones of countries with heirs with a weak claim rather than ones with no heir. If you click on a country and hover over the ruler's name, it'll tell you if they have an heir. Ones with no heir will say "A noble from house foo rises to the throne" or "A foo noble takes the throne". Ones with an heir with a weak claim will say like "A Pretender Rises" and/or "Regency for foo". Then all you have to do is wait for the other ruler to die and bam, instant PU. You might want to check their on ruler death status again after claiming their throne to ensure you will get it.

If you don't mind fighting, you can force the PU via war. You can do this on those countries with no heir, too. Just claim their throne, then declare war with the "Claim on Throne" CB. Beat them down enough and you can force a PU as a peace term.

Claiming a throne costs two things: 50 legitimacy and -100 relations with every country you have a royal marriage with. Doing lots of RM's will make your next throne claim painful, but without very many it'll take forever to claim another throne. Decisions, decisions.
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« Reply #1421 on: February 09, 2012, 02:04:32 am »

I try to save PU's for the bigger countries where the reduced total infamy cost is worth the hit to legitimacy and relations. Forcing a PU by Claim Throne on an OPM is just retarded (unless it's an OPM with a CoT).
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« Reply #1422 on: February 09, 2012, 02:14:14 am »

PU's can be quite useful for expansion anywhere, however, only PU'd countries that have the same culture group as your own will grant you cores when you inherit it. Still useful for a different culture country, but you'll be given a heap of provinces with 50 years to go till they core when you inherit.

you can inherit countries in 2 ways. 1) wait 50 years after starting theunion, have good relations, and there's a force annex option. It takes a lot longer though. Option 2) Have great (195+) relations with the country your in a union with, and on monarch death they'll probably be inherited into your nation. Every time i've had a monarch die and a union with 195+ relations its happened, not sure if its the required conditions or just a fluke.
Its also worth noting that if the country's relations is less than -100 when your monarch dies they leave the union.

Now, getting unions, that's a bit more tricky.
As far as i know, having a good diplomat as a king and having royal marriages with other countries, who's heirs don't have a great claim to the throne, will give you a chance to form a union, as outlined much better above. seems you need to claim the throne in this case too.
However, the easier way to get a union is to have a royal marriage with a country that has no heir, (and isn't in a regency council), and have more prestige than them, click the claim throne button, and then declare war on them to enforce a personal union. The only downside, of course, is that you get a -50 relationship bonus with all other countries you have a royal marriage with (including other nations you have a union with if your still on your first monarch with them), and lose 20 legitimacy.

Luckily the game gives you a handy hover over list up the top of a list of a list of nations with disputed succession (eg any nation without a heir). going into the message settings and changing it to pop up whenever a nation changes ruler can help you keep an eye on a nation you want to PU (aragon as castille, or vice versa, etc). The other main thing to remember is that you need to keep your prestige up, so a prestige giving advisor can be handy.

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Claiming a throne costs two things: 50 legitimacy and -100 relations with every country you have a royal marriage with. Doing lots of RM's will make your next throne claim painful, but without very many it'll take forever to claim another throne. Decisions, decisions.

I'm pretty sure its only 20 and -50. As i said above, don't bother with a web of marriages, just form them whenever a throne is disputed. The ruler change popup helps immensely.

For example, in my recent Brandenburg game i got lucky and the king of Luxembourg died in the first few years (after i'd insulted down to -100 relations of course). I noticed Brunswik had disputed sucession, RM'd them, claimed the throne, then declared war on them, won, and PU'd them (and vassalised another nation that i needed for forming germany, to use a "incorporate" free core later). The country to their north that i needed also came up, so i did the same to them. I bribed both of their relations up to 195+, and when my king died i was up 3 cored territories!
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« Reply #1423 on: February 09, 2012, 02:21:01 am »

Its also worth noting that if the country's relations is less than -100 when your monarch dies they leave the union.
I believe negative Prestige also causes a country to leave a union. Or maybe that's just Steppe Wolf. Someone will have to test it, because I don't play vanilla.
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« Reply #1424 on: February 09, 2012, 05:10:49 am »

Humm, thanks for the tips guys! Especially about the heir thing. I didnt know you could check that; hopefully this will make my next europe game a lot easier.

In other words, Hindustan is overpowered. Every_single_territory is cored. I started in 1356, not 1399, so tis a little more understandable, but still. Started from Vigaygnarasdasblurbleflargle. Only big threat was Delhi... and... well, look at them now. I just pounced every time they went to war with one of the Hordes they bordered.

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2-3 province vassals are the best once you clear out the big armies. They get rid of rebels, siege 2-3 provinces at a time, have their own little navies, and uguuu its so cute. Ceylon, Orissa, and Sind were awesome vassals. I just had to limit Sind by removing their CoT. Its really nice to have a small nation that doesnt have their capital on their CoT.

Also, I feel bad, but jumping allies is pretty awesome. They usually dont have many more allies then just you, and you can usually dissolve alliance -> declare war before they get any more alliances flowing. I did that with Punjab, which held the top portion of my territories. Annexed for 0 infamy, woo! I'm going to do it to Deva-Bengal next. They keep pulling me into wars with the chinese, and I dont want Ming popping up at my doorstep.
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